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    Quote Originally Posted by TNValleyBeeK View Post
    It's not really a big shocker, I mean in the grand scheme of things it's not a big market and it looks to be very competitive. Just like beekeeping, if it's not owned and operated by a very tight hardworking family or at least a very determined owner in which the bees are their life then it's very likely not going to prosper. Theres not enough $ to go around with that many hands in the cookie jar. I'm sure there's exceptions to the rule but this is a not an industry with endless possibilities.
    Isnt Mann Lake employee owned as well. They seem to be doing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edzkoda View Post
    Isnt Mann Lake employee owned as well. They seem to be doing well.
    Mann Lake is no longer employee owned. It’s owned by a holding company (not sure which one).
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    Quote Originally Posted by edzkoda View Post
    Isnt Mann Lake employee owned as well. They seem to be doing well.
    I think so.


    Edit.
    Time to do some research in light of snl's claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWPalmer View Post
    I think so.


    Edit.
    Time to do some research in light of snl's claim.
    The sale may not been “consummated “ but it’s either happened (and that’s an old label) or close to happening.
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    That's a shame.

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    Label is not too old, its a shot of the top of the 2018 catalogue. Anyhow, may not be a fully done deal yet. The BBB still shows Jack Thomas as owner and Linked In still carries the "Employee Owned" phrase. Both may not be up with the times however. Info on privately held companies is less readily available. You were correct about BM, no reason to start doubting you now.
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    Jack “passed” months ago.
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    Oops. Starting to make more sense now. I do remember reading about Jack's "passing' back in Sept. but it did not register as part of this discussion. Please keep us advised.
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    It looks like ML initiated an Employee Stock Ownership Plan in 2000. https://www.brightscope.com/form-550...nd-Trust/2016/

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    Quote Originally Posted by snl View Post
    Now where will we obtain LEGAL Oxalic acid? I’m sure some enterprising company will pick it up. But in the meantime, those who care about using the legal Oxalic acid can buy it from the other companies that still have a supply they bought from BM.
    Florida Laboratories is a manufacturer of OA. When you order OA from them, they include the correct and LEGAL miticide label.
    Please note: Oxalic Acid is a generic commodity, therefore, BM does not own the exclusive rights to that label.
    BM was not the only ones selling OA with the legal label. Check out Dadant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hops Brewster View Post
    BM was not the only ones selling OA with the legal label. Check out Dadant.
    Dadant was reselling the Brushy Mtn product, complete with a Brushy Mtn label. See the photo of that here:
    https://www.dadant.com/catalog/medic...ic-acid-m01758




    And for those of you that think the closing only involves the Oregon BM store, just go to the Brushy Mtn website: https://www.brushymountainbeefarm.com/

    Its been in that "maintenance mode" since last Friday.

    Also, earlier in this thread is posted a photo of the sign on the door of the PA store. See post #58 or click here : https://www.beesource.com/forums/sho...ia#post1679527
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hops Brewster View Post
    Florida Laboratories is a manufacturer of OA.
    I'll admit that I was skeptical that there is another properly registered [manufacturer] of "oxalic acid as a varroa pesticide" (like Brushy Mountain is/was). While Brushy didn't actually manufacture the OA, they got it from a contract manufacturer and jumped through the legal hoops to have it registered under the Brushy Mtn name in each state they sold it in.

    So in researching the appropriate registered pesticide database, I see there is indeed a second vendor now registered for oxalic acid. For instance, from the Florida listing;

    (click to enlarge)

    For those that wish to do a search for other states, here is the database link:
    http://npirspublic.ceris.purdue.edu/state/default.aspx

    The EPA number for oxalic acid as a pesticide is 91266-1. At the database linked above, type in "91266" in the 1st part of the Registration Number Box, and "1" in the 2nd part of the box. Leave the 3rd part of the box blank.

    ( Larry, it seems the state of SC is not contributing data to that site, but NC also does show with OA registered by "CHEMICALS LAIF 712 FIFTH ST STE A C/O TSG, INC. DAVIS CA 95616")

    TSG in Davis CA appears to just be a stalking horse for "CHEMICALS LAIF", and guess what ... "Chemicals Laif S.P.A." are also hooked up with "Api Life Var" which is another registered varroa pesticide.

    They are an Italian company: http://chemicalslaif.it/it/homepage/
    That webite appears to be Italian language only, but Google Translate may be of assistance. In any case, I expect that an English language Oxalic Acid Registered Pesticide from those folks will soon be promoted by the remaining bee supply houses - like Mann Lake.



    But I have seen no evidence that Florida Laboratories has a registered oxalic acid product available for sale in the USA. They certainly do not show up in the list of OA products registered in Florida.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    and guess what ... "Chemicals Laif S.P.A." are also hooked up with "Api Life Var" which is another registered varroa pesticide..
    Guess who the US importer of ApiLife Var is (was)?
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    Default Re: Brushy Mountain Closing?

    not Brushy Mountain?
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    Here is the EPA document from 2006 that references Brushy Mtn as the registrant for ApiLife Var:
    https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem...1-20061109.pdf

    And here is the tie to Chemicals Saif S.P.A. as the actual manufacturer:
    https://www.allategeszsegugy.hu/cust...0var%20eng.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsi View Post
    not Brushy Mountain?
    Just so there's no confusion....we're talking about ApiLife Var...not Apivar.
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    This morning I drove over to my local Brushy Mountain distributor and stocked up on woodenware. The owner confirmed that Brushy Mountain has closed. They were given no advance warning and found out about the closing on Friday. They are now scrambling to find another supplier.

    I guess there were a few clues that something was amiss at BM. This distributor ordered from BM quarterly. Orders used to be filled promptly. Lately there were more and more backorders. Apparently BM made woodenware to order rather than keeping it in stock.

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    The Brushy Mtn "primary" location was pretty far up the 'mountain' outside of Wilkesboro NC. to get there from US421 in Wilkesboro, its a twisty, slow, steep road. I imagine that the UPS semi drivers didn't particularly enjoy that trip.

    A few years ago Brushy opened a manufacturing facility (wood shop, and perhaps more) "down the hill" in North Wilkesboro just off US421. Article link: https://www.journalpatriot.com/news/...a4bcf6878.html

    While there are pluses to a modern facility designed for manufacturing, having it 20-30 minutes away (by car, likely longer by truck) also introduces management/supervisory issues, and means inventory in two locations. It also means complications in in shipping to customers, as either all the woodenware gets hauled up the hill to ship consolidated customer orders, or else there are two packages/shipments when there could have been just one. Not good when Brushy Mtn is on the hook for paying for customers' "free" shipping, especially if competitors can do a single package/shipment for equivalent goods.


    Oh ... I just noticed this ... Google Maps is now reporting Brushy Mtn as "permanently closed":
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Br...!4d-81.1211478
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    This stinks. All my equipment is BM and i have always had good experiences with them.
    My wife juat got me a gift certificate in October for our anniversary. They better honor it.
    Where are some of the distributors? I am in NC and always got it from the main base.

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