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    Default Immigration, bee style.

    As the caravan of Central Americans make their way though Mexico, on their way to attempt smashing though our borders, I wonder how a beehive would handle such an intrusion. If a beehive was a nation, what would it's immigration policy look like?
    Thankfully, the bees are smarter than I am. They are doing well, in spite of my efforts to help them.

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    Default Re: Immigration, bee style.

    i've heard if a bee arrives at an entrance with pollen or nectar they are usually allowed in, i've also shaken out queenless hives and watched other hives allow those workers in, less enthusiastically. the guard bees seem more interested in keeping out robbers than refugees.

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    Nonproductive drone bees are welcomed at any hive. I don’t think foreign policy should be designed on a ‘hive mind’.

    I think that we are smarter than bees, that can be provoked into a suicidal frenzy by a stimulus they themselves do not understand. At least we should be.

    However, I do note in passing that if a beehive is led by a queen that is defective, supercedure will occur or the hive will dwindle and die. Should domestic policy be designed on a ‘hive mind’v

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knisely View Post

    I think that we are smarter than bees, that can be provoked into a suicidal frenzy by a stimulus they themselves do not understand. At least we should be.
    That statement made me think of the protesters out West and at the Kavanaugh confirmation. Also, the supporters of the Socialist candidates when questioned about the policies their chosen one espouses. And.....

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    Oh, oh....here we go again. This thread appears to be leaning political, so I will only add MY OPINION which is NOT intended to offend anyone....only to make known that all have different views on such matters.

    MY OPINION...
    I have noticed that there is quite a difference in opinions when comparing red state and blue state ideas concerning bee society. (no surprise here, huh?) I'd just like to state that I don't think we have anyone 'defective' at the queen level in our 'hive'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim KS View Post
    MY OPINION...
    I have noticed that there is quite a difference in opinions when comparing red state and blue state ideas concerning bee society. (no surprise here, huh?) I'd just like to state that I don't think we have anyone 'defective' at the queen level in our 'hive'.
    I'm getting many cross currents from my hives located in a blue state, but have narrowed it down somewhat as many of my queens come from red states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbranch2007 View Post
    I'm getting many cross currents from my hives located in a blue state, but have narrowed it down somewhat as many of my queens come from red states.
    MY OPINION is that you should consider yourself lucky.....

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    I posted this question because in the grand scheme of things, I think the bees have a policy that is similar to our own, and that of many nations. This really is not a red or blue issue, it is one of what is best for the hive. Justin picked up on this. So what do the bees do? Well, bees wth assets, nectar and pollen, that ask for legal immigration status are welcomed with open arms. Bees that have no assets, from say a shaken hive, but are ready to go to work for the hive, are also welcomed, but at a little less so. Robber bees, those that intend to take the resources that others have worked for, are repelled at all costs. The border patrol, uh guard bees, are responsible for making sure that only the bees bees seeking legal access are allowed in. They will fight to the death to prevent unauthorized access to the hive. Interesting to note that, like in our country, it does not matter the race of the bee. Carniolan, Italian, Caucasian, Russian, or plain old mutts, if you want in and are willing to contribute, you are welcome. A weak queen that does not produce well ends up with a weak hive that is quickly over run with invaders. A strong queen is able to ensure the continued success of the hive. I personally find this to be an relatively accurate analogy to our immigration policy. And I know what happens to a hive that is unable to defend itself.
    Thankfully, the bees are smarter than I am. They are doing well, in spite of my efforts to help them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWPalmer View Post
    And I know what happens to a hive that is unable to defend itself.
    Or unwilling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWPalmer View Post
    As the caravan of Central Americans make their way though Mexico, on their way to attempt smashing though our borders
    The reports I saw on the news said these people intended to apply for asylum.
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    Careful now...
    "My wife always wanted girls. Just not thousands and thousands of them......"

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    Treading lightly...If these folks are attempting to gain access through legal channels, I applaude them. My concern is that one does not typically amass an army of individuals when the intent is to knock politely on the door. I would view this more as an AHB swarm attempting to take over a more gentle established hive. OK, not exactly, but it is as close as I can come and still keep it in terms of the bees.

    BTW, one of the seven wonders of the ancient world is The Great Wall of China. Anyone remember why it was built and by whom?
    Thankfully, the bees are smarter than I am. They are doing well, in spite of my efforts to help them.

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    I thought this forum was supposed to be free of political and religious discussions. I guess all of the forum rules left with Barry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Drone View Post
    I thought this forum was supposed to be free of political and religious discussions. I guess all of the forum rules left with Barry.
    We are in the "Coffee Klatch".

    Rules: 'Share and seek information on hobbies and interests other than beekeeping.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHudd View Post
    That statement made me think of the protesters out West and at the Kavanaugh confirmation. Also, the supporters of the Socialist candidates when questioned about the policies their chosen one espouses. And.....

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    That statement made me think of the protesters out West and at the Kavanaugh confirmation. Also, the supporters of the Communist/Democrat candidates when questioned about the policies their chosen one espouses. And.....
    It would be like confusing Carniolans with Russian bees. There is a big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWPalmer View Post
    Treading lightly...If these folks are attempting to gain access through legal channels, I applaude them.
    It warms my heart that you said that.

    Two thoughts on this group. I think they are looking for safety in numbers while they travel. I think it is being done to get some publicity on the issue of violence in Central and South America. I'm not sure whose agenda doing this is.

    @Tim, I think we are following the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin View Post
    i've heard if a bee arrives at an entrance with pollen or nectar they are usually allowed in, i've also shaken out queenless hives and watched other hives allow those workers in, less enthusiastically. the guard bees seem more interested in keeping out robbers than refugees.
    In many cases bees that have obsconded from their hive due to overwhelming varroa mite infestation and high virus loads are also allowed in. Unless the beekeeper is quick to identify this and take aggressive measures, the entire hive will likely die and collapse over the Winter or during a dearth/drought. Kinda reminds me of the "sudden" occurance of LONG irradicated diseases like measels, mumps, tuberculosis, syphilis, gonorrhoea, leprosy, polio, cholera, diphtheria, smallpox, scabies, chicken pox, methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus infections, and an entire smorgasbord of virus's just to name a few that we are now seeing mentions of outbreaks in the news, including a little known but fairly new polio like virus called acute flaccid myelitis that are being brought into the United States by illegal border invaders who are "just looking for a better life".

    An excellent comparison would be keeping an apiary in which you treat for all diseases and carefully follow sanitary and healthy apiary protocools spends huge amounts of money, resources, labor, and time to ensure your bees are as healthy as possible only to have EVERYTHING you have worked so hard to achieve undermined and undone by a "treatment free" apiary close by that continuously excretes "mite bombs" aka absconding swarms loaded with who knows what virus, disease, or parasites that make their way into your apiary and infect your hives with who knows what.

    The universal application part of this is that honey bees and humans who seriously and genuinely want to have a better life need to fight for it in their OWN hive or country. Having served multiple, multiple overseas tours in various foreign countries including war zone, I know this universal application is indeed true as much as it is for honey bees as it is for humans. Those who refuse to pick up a rifle and fight for their lives, freedom, and standard of living deserve NONE and in almost every case throughout history have received NONE. The Roman Empire thought they could ignore this fact of life. Where are they now???
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    How people are exposed to their fears!
    The refugees fleeing because they are modern global slaves, they can be such an enrichment!
    300 000 refugees work in Germany and pay into social security, 30 000 young people refugees take on an apprenticeship, which the Germans do not want to accept out of stubbornness!
    Just like my hive folk Carniolans, which has incorporated primorskij bees into the hive, it brought a huge amount of honey!
    7,000 refugees? Any rock band would be pissed off if they had so few listeners!

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    Sybille, even in the 70's, I understood that the German government was having a problem with the Gastarbeiter program. I do not follow German politics, so I do not know how this situation is being handled, but your comment makes me think they have have ended it with the idea of self preservation. Unfortunantly for us, these folks may not all be worker bees, ready to contribute. Many are economic refugees to which our country does not grant asylum. I do pray for a peaceful end, just as I pray that a combined hive will emerge stronger and unified.
    Thankfully, the bees are smarter than I am. They are doing well, in spite of my efforts to help them.

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