Swarm cells or supercedure
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  1. #1
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    Default Swarm cells or supercedure

    Have a debate going on in a local bee forum. Hive has 7 or 8 queen cells up towards the top of the frame. I am leaning towards them preparing to leave while other bee keepers are adamant that no the cells are too high to be a swarm. While I agree the jury is out I think a queen search and split is in order. Am I off base?
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    Default Re: Swarm cells or supercedure

    looks like a prime opportunity to expand if you have the resources to do so. If not just let the bees sort it out. They know what they're doing.
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    Default Re: Swarm cells or supercedure

    I've been beekeeping for 4 years now, my quest would be swarming. My reasoning would be, they are at the top of the frame and the amount of cells. I believe most wrightings state the supercedure cells would be 2-3 cells only.
    Last edited by dr4ngas; 07-22-2018 at 12:40 PM. Reason: grammer

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    Default Re: Swarm cells or supercedure

    I would only worry if the cells had eggs or larvae in them.

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    Default Re: Swarm cells or supercedure

    Where they are is irrelevant. What is more relevant is the circumstances in the colony.

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesfallaci...mcellsonbottom
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesswarmco...tm#supersedure
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    Please help. Please watch this clip and tell me if these are swarm cells or Supersedure cells? https://youtu.be/uASDLhrWeRw

    Thanks

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    Default Re: Swarm cells or supercedure

    Quote Originally Posted by BeeDuto View Post
    Please help. Please watch this clip and tell me if these are swarm cells or Supersedure cells? https://youtu.be/uASDLhrWeRw

    Thanks
    couldn't see the frame very good next time shake the bees off and hold the frame up to your camera. go look at the links that Michael Bush posted.

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    Default Re: Swarm cells or supercedure

    Is the colony queen right? This cells look suspiciously like emergency cells

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    Default Re: Swarm cells or supercedure

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Palmer View Post
    Is the colony queen right? This cells look suspiciously like emergency cells
    I agree!!

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    Default Re: Swarm cells or supercedure

    My experience has been that when you have no brood and a bunch of emergency cells in the summer that mites are a likey culprit. Just treated a hive (not one of mine) that had the same report. Inspection showed a lot of DWV. Hung Apivar and gave em a shot of OAV.
    There were other factors as well, like dead larvae being drug out and dwindling hive population.
    Last edited by JWPalmer; 07-31-2018 at 06:20 PM.
    Thankfully, the bees are smarter than I am. They are doing well, in spite of my efforts to help them.

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    Default Re: Swarm cells or supercedure

    The video shows a colony with a good density of bees. It's hard to say under those circumstances if they are swarm cells or not. I'd be tempted to make a split to be safe. Do you have any eggs? Any open brood?
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 42y 40h 39yTF

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