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    Default Ligurian bees

    Has anyone kept ligurian bees? Are they noticeably more docile and easier to work than any other Italian bees? I would love to hear people's experience in keeping them, especially if they have also kept other races.

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    Default Re: Ligurian bees

    A follow up question to this is are ligurian bees noticeably more inbred than other bees? Do their hives perform worse as a result of this?

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    Default Re: Ligurian bees

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleSpider View Post
    Has anyone kept ligurian bees? Are they noticeably more docile and easier to work than any other Italian bees? I would love to hear people's experience in keeping them, especially if they have also kept other races.
    Perhaps the reason no-one has answered your first post, is that Ligurian bees are Italian bees. Different names, but exactly the same bee.

    Similarly, the Cordovan is not a different sub-species of bee, but an Italian bee which has the equivalent of honeybee 'albino' genes. 'Cordovan' refers to the bees' colouring, which is similar to that of leatherwork from Cordoba, Spain.

    Hope this helps a little ...
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    Thanks little john,

    my understanding was that ligurian were a subset of italian bees that were meant to be calmer. Kangaroo island claims that they have the only pure ligurian bees in the world. Each spring/summer someone travels up from there selling queens etc. I was wondering if the extra expense is worth it?

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    Technically, you're quite correct - the Ligurian bee was originally an Italian bee from the alpine regions of Italy, which was (past tense) reputed to have a better disposition, as you say. But in practice, beekeepers these days use the terms Italian and Ligurian interchangeably - so adverts for Ligurian bees are simply adverts for common-or-garden Italians.

    But - from what you've written, I've looked-up "Kangaroo Island" and this is what is being said about these bees:

    The Ligurian bees on Kangaroo Island are believed to be the last remaining pure stock of this bee found anywhere in the world. In the early 1880's Ligurian bees were imported by the South Australian Chamber of Manufacturers. The Ligurian bee was named for its origin in the Ligurian Alps in the days of the Roman Empire.
    Well - that's a new one on me (not from being 'down under') - so yes, they might indeed be well worth buying. It does seem to be very much an Australian 'product', as I've never seen these for sale in the UK, and of course the US would be out of bounds due to their import restrictions.

    Are these queens very expensive ?
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    Ligurian strain of Italian bees had this leather type coloring and Brother Adam found them to be better than bright yellow Italian bees. He claimed that Ligurian had better disease resistance, the bright yellow Italian (US) bees were susceptible to acarine disease.

    The first Italian bees he had were Ligurian origin, but from where?

    http://www.pedigreeapis.org/elver/ori/origin-en.html

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    FWIW - there was a thread about Kangeroo Island over on: https://beemaster.com/forum/index.ph...7897#msg447897 recently - from the links to research papers given there it would appear that the purity claims may be exaggerated - but - as I commented on that thread (and had completely forgotten I'd done so) - if their bees are 'good' (undefined) - and available at an affordable price - then why not go for it ... ?
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