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    I started some nucs in July and then split in late july would formic pro be ok as a mite treatment soon?
    They did have a brood break as cells failed and got mated Queens for them or would they be ok till spring with no treatment.
    Need advise

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    Default Re: Formic Pro

    Do a mite count and answer your own question. Or, as the state bee inspector told me recently, "I check mites on the inspection form before I even open a hive, they're everywhere." Maybe it's different in SD though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by exmar View Post
    Do a mite count and answer your own question. Or, as the state bee inspector told me recently, "I check mites on the inspection form before I even open a hive, they're everywhere." Maybe it's different in SD though?
    I was just wondering if it might be to harsh a treatment for a small colony and if using one or two pads should be used.
    SD not have mites ya right in a dream maybe.
    Coming from using Apiavr not working well for me.

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    Know nothing about Formic Pro so can't advise. OAV seems "relatively" benign, however you would have to buy a wand, the OA is cheap, wood bleach at the hardware store. I did OAD for a couple of years with no issues but it is considered a harsher treatment than OAV. Oh, Oxalic Acid, Oxalic Acid Vapor and Oxalic Acid Dribble. FWIW I went to OAV as I can treat more often if needed than OAD. You do have to remove honey supers prior to treatment with OAV, but with new Nucs doubt that would be an issue. Now I automatically do an OAV treatment in early spring, mid summer (dearth) and late fall. If I see something during an inspection I'll treat again. Attached a link on OAD, the internet is full of info on OA treatments, also youtube.

    https://honeybeesuite.com/oxalic-acid/

    Good luck,

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    I am a new beekeeper, but just went through 3 oav treatments4 days between each. I had a problem hive that apivar wasn't controlling. It knocked mite count from 33/300 bees to 2/300 bees. (Alcohol wash tested)

    It is so easy and cheap to do the treatment, but getting the wand was an ordeal for me. I tried to save some money and made my own out of coffee heaters( googled diy directions) but two of these failed on me. I then bought an inexpensive wand on amazon and it came with European wiring (220 V). I was in such a hurry to treat I didn't want to return and get one right for the US, so I bought a converter. Now I am set, but would recommend to others just buy a good wand up front. One time cost and treatment is easy.

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    Same story here. I made a coffee heater one it burned out second use, tried to invent my own, then ordered a real wand. So many people end up buying a wand in the end. Wish I had just forked over the cash for the wand in the first place.

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    Yeah, the subtlety that a lot of folks miss on those "coffee heaters" is that they're designed as immersion heaters essentially stuck in a container of liquid as a big heat sink. If they're plugged in in open air they burn up real fast. I went with an OxaVap, good unit, had it a couple years now, no problems. I only have four hives, if I had a lot more, I'd be looking at something faster maybe. $95 for the OxaVap and $8-10 for OA and you're set for years-if you keep the OA tightly sealed. Amazon and EvilBay is full of cheaper units, dunno if they work, I went something american made with folks you can email and get answers and parts. JMHO

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    I went to Ebay, found one that was supposed to be USA made. Best part was the price tag. Now if it just holds up.
    Here is a link to it.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Ridge-B...8AAOSw8w1X5cFn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcnc1 View Post
    ... just went through 3 oav treatments 4 days between each. I had a problem hive that apivar wasn't controlling. It knocked mite count from 33/300 bees to 2/300 bees. (Alcohol wash tested)
    Three vaporizations four day apart is 8-9 days. How many days apart were the last OAV and the alcohol wash with 2/300? If this hive has no brood then it probably doesn't matter much. If it has sealed brood then the infestation level may reverse to pre-OAV in a week.

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    Bay bee. Aug 27th is the first oav then Aug 31' then sept 7( business trip prevented 4 day). Then measured on the 10th. Did another oav this am, four days from now will do another. Until I get past sept 20th, which should be a complete cycle ( even if there were drones ). The AW again and see where we are.

    The AW was a mid treatment check in.

    It had brood in all stages, but very poor pattern. It has improved. As you say it might go back to pre oav levels and...... it might not. But current bees are definitely better off, I'll post again after cycle. Brood pattern improved dramatically too.

    But the important thing for this thread is that oav is effective, is easy, but buy good hardware up front.

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    Not that I like to give advice but, Formic is one of those things where if you use too much you drive out all the bees and that includes the queen and you can kill her. Miteaway I would use one pad on a sinlge 10 frame and put an empty box ontop to make sure they have a place to go and not smoke them out. On a nuc I would use 1/2 of a mightaway. so no idea what formic pro is. Bee carful formic kills queens and this late in the season even more careful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casino boy View Post
    I was just wondering if it might be to harsh a treatment for a small colony and if using one or two pads should be used.
    SD not have mites ya right in a dream maybe.
    Coming from using Apiavr not working well for me.
    I find the MAQs to be very harsh. I got rid of every single mite in the 2 hives that I put 2 pads on. Unfortunately I also got rid of the bees. I treated the rest of my hives with 1 pad with good success. Be very aware of the current and projected temperature when you put the strips or pads on Wear a gas mask and eye protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsegrest View Post
    I find the MAQs to be very harsh. I got rid of every single mite in the 2 hives that I put 2 pads on. Unfortunately I also got rid of the bees. I treated the rest of my hives with 1 pad with good success. Be very aware of the current and projected temperature when you put the strips or pads on Wear a gas mask and eye protection.
    This is very good info dsegrest. Exactly. I mix my own and have for years.

    I am pretty good with Fomic. I even put my foot in a bucket and have the scars to prove it. Long story and all I can say is never use a formic bucket as a ladder. Especially when the lid sat exposed to the sun for a year. It does not hold. Formic is scary stuff be careful and alwasy wear eye protection and hand protection and at the least stand up wind and make sure you know which way the wind is blowing.

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