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    Default wooden ware, cupping prevention

    So, jumped on the sale band wagon and received a pallet of deeps, ready to assemble.

    Question is: what steps should I take, storing them, to ensure they don't all cup and warp, before February assembly?

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    Default Re: wooden ware, cupping prevention

    Wood will always adjust to ambient moisture. Best to store the equipment dry and assemble as soon as reasonably possible to avoid problems with expansion and contraction. Other than that, stack well above the floor because floors tend to hold moisture. Stack the wood pieces crisscross to help prevent bowing and warping.
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    I just ordered a pallet of mediums I'm waiting to be shipped. My plan is to just leave them laying flat wrapped in plastic with some DampRid as I'm planning on taking awhile to get them all assembled. In my experience it's the moisture that causes warping. Be careful with DampRid type dessicant, it's very corrosive if it comes into contact with metal. DampRid is mostly Calcium Chloride, if you can get ice melt where you're at it works just as good and is alot cheaper, wish they sold it around here.

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    Default Re: wooden ware, cupping prevention

    People, this person is in New Mexico. I doubt excessive humidity is a problem.

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    Default Re: wooden ware, cupping prevention

    Santa Fe, NM
    Elevation ~ 7200 feet above sea level. Appears to be dry except for July and August. http://www.usclimatedata.com/climate...tates/usnm0292
    Probably be ok to stack in the garage (on top of sacrificial 2x4's) or just plain put the whole pallet in there.
    If you want it cupped and warped just throw it on the ground in the yard.
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    Default Re: wooden ware, cupping prevention

    that mann lake sale last week cost me $8000 for 50 double deep, 2 supers, with top and bottom, unassembled hives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schultz View Post
    People, this person is in New Mexico. I doubt excessive humidity is a problem.
    lots you know from NY

    NM and AZ are humid a f...
    and dry as a bone at 8%
    don't assume anything about the deserts SW
    it's not the roadrunner and willy e. back home
    the deserts are both dry and wet hot and beautiful.

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    Default Re: wooden ware, cupping prevention

    that mann lake sale last week cost me $8000 for 50 double deep, 2 supers, with top and bottom, unassembled hives.
    The price of your toys....

    I prefer to spend money on saws and nail guns and such. Have to admit that I've spent about $5000 on bee equipment over the last 2 years.
    NW Alabama, 50 years, 20 colonies and growing, sideliner, treatment free since 2005, 14 frame square Dadant broodnest

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    Default Re: wooden ware, cupping prevention

    Lol, I'm never getting my stuff from Mann Lake, they must have a backorder list a mile long, everyone stocked up on that sale.

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    DavidZ,
    I apologize for flaunting my ignorance. I had always thought that area was quite arid.

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    Default Re: wooden ware, cupping prevention

    No experience with pallets of deeps, but plenty of experience with wood in general. My advice would be to make sure the pallet is level. I assume it is strapped, but if it isn't, strap it. If you do not have actual straps, screw scrap 2x4's to the top of the pallet and place weight on it, such as sand bags or cement blocks. Keep it out of the sun and do not tarp it unless it is outdoors. If so, put a tarp on the ground and put blocks under the top of the tarp and do not tie down tight...allow air movement. When you start assembly, take off what you can do in a day and re strap it. J

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    All good ideas, but when you build the equipment and the boards have cupped, spray water on a concrete (or what have you) floor and lay the boards in the puddle, concave side down. They'll straighten.
    Last edited by Michael Palmer; 08-15-2017 at 05:17 AM.

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    Default Re: wooden ware, cupping prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Palmer View Post
    All good ideas, but she you build the equipment and the boards have cupped, spray water on a concrete (or what have you) floor and lay the boards in the puddle, concave side down. They'll straighten.
    What a great idea. It's one of those where you smack your head and say "why didnt I think of that"!

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    Default Re: wooden ware, cupping prevention

    It always takes MannLake months to catch up. They stock the warehouse and then blow through it in a few days.
    My 36 came in boxes not on a pallet. I put them in my house and took a box at a time out to assemble. Any that warped or cupped I put a clamp on it till I nailed it home. Honestly didn't find more then 2 out of 36 that I had to fight with.
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    Default Re: wooden ware, cupping prevention

    Great ideas everyone, thanks.

    Yes, typically we are dry here. Yesterday we hit 52% humidity at 7pm, as I type this we are at 17%. But that lends to the opposite of what most people experience elsewhere in the country; boards warp here because we can be so dry.
    Wood never stops moving. I know a small job contractor here who will pipe clamp all his boards, in a stack -really didn't want to do that.

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    Default Re: wooden ware, cupping prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidZ View Post
    lots you know from NY

    NM and AZ are humid a f...
    and dry as a bone at 8%
    don't assume anything about the deserts SW
    it's not the roadrunner and willy e. back home
    the deserts are both dry and wet hot and beautiful.
    Sure, NM and AZ are world renowned for humidity and high yearly rainfall amounts.
    What a crock.

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    Default Re: wooden ware, cupping prevention

    I ordered 20 budget deeps from Mann Lake. I am on my second set of 5, and this batch of budgets are badly cupped.
    So its been a clamp, glue and nail party.
    After these I dread seeing how my mill run boxes are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion_power View Post
    Have to admit that I've spent about $5000 on bee equipment over the last 2 years.
    Me too but most of my purchases from Mann Lake are supplies like foundations and little stuff like Honey Bandit and various other items. (no wood except frames) Have bought a few thousand frames.

    Got three table saws. One is setup for strictly dadoes. Not keeping track of the lumber receipts. They fade and go blank.
    When I buy wood I go to Home Depot, Lowes, and Menards since they're all within a mile of me.
    Pick thru their piles and end up with ten or twenty boxes worth saw saw saw, glue, bang bang then paint.
    Even cut the handles in. (made a custom jig)
    At $60/box with frames and foundations I don't even want to think about that.

    It adds up and holy cow it aint cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JpArnoldApiaries View Post
    I ordered 20 budget deeps from Mann Lake. I am on my second set of 5, and this batch of budgets are badly cupped.
    So its been a clamp, glue and nail party.
    After these I dread seeing how my mill run boxes are.
    You maybe surprised....I put a pallet of em together last year and the were decent boxes....not perfect but good to work with.

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    Default Re: wooden ware, cupping prevention

    "So, jumped on the sale band wagon and received a pallet of deeps"...


    I have received plenty of unassembled deep and medium supers that come "pre-warped" from some manufacturer's. Where did you get your pallet from? After sifting through lots of commercial grade junk over the years I only order my boxes from Shastina now. Those of you who have received bulk orders from them know how they are packaged and shipped. A quick visit to their website shows examples. I've had some stored in my garage for over a year without issues of warping. But they stayed cleated as they were sent. Interesting to hear all about our weather here from people in New York, who probably have never crossed the Mississippi.
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