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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis crutchfield View Post
    I live in a farming area and found out that round up and gmo does kill.
    Roundup kills would be correct, it is a herbicide, ie, designed to kill plants.

    GMO kills? Could you expand on your statement, ie, how in your farming area you found GMO kills?

    Sorry I don't, as you asked, have a study to prove it. But since you made the statement....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiWolKe View Post
    Dick ( Richard Cryberg) this is the problem here making many species extinct.

    I remember posting a link which explained that the chemicals are accumulating in the flowers nearby a sprayed field via air drifting , the amount of chemicals being much higher there.

    Do you have any experience concerning this? If you are a farmer in germany law says to provide such blooming field stripes near your fields as a compensation.
    Sybil, Drift can be a problem. But, the real question is what is drifting? Some of the older pesticides were far more persistent than most of what is used today as well as being far more toxic to non target species. Things like paraquat were simply horrid. Going from paraquat to Roundup to dry down crops was a major step in protecting not only the environment but also people. We have a ways to go yet. For instance many of the dicamba formulations have drift/volitility issues that are not good and are causing problems. Personally I can not get a bit bothered by the levels of things like neonics and Roundup, phenoxys and Garlon found in drift situations. They simply are no place close to high enough to ever be a human health issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis crutchfield View Post
    when I hear someone brag about being a scientist, I laugh... they are the ones promoting global warming... delusional at best. I did find some studies on what I was looking for without the private studies promoted by Monsanto.
    Do you know enough about global warming to even have a right to have an opinion? I doubt it. Did you know for instance that the models on global warming all say that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere below an altitude of about 15,000 meters has zero impact on temperatures? I bet you did not know that. Do you understand the equation dI/(dC x dL) = kI? If you do not understand that equation you know exactly zero about global warming. For the record I can understand things like the theory of relativity as it is so simple even a high school kid can understand it. I can do much of the math involved in quantum mechanics and understand why the math says a small object can be in two places at the same time just like experiment shows. But, global warming is much too hard for me to understand so I have no opinion if the observed warming is man driven or not. But, anyone who denies the world has warmed over the last 50 years is truly delusional. It would be hard to randomly pick a 50 year period in the last 10,000 years and not see some warming or cooling.

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    I would think location and what is grown makes a difference in ones experience. Statements of what one sees in their yards doesn't mean the same is seen in a completely different. I see that moving my bees from an agricultural area to a more natural setting the bees do better. Not enough food due to the over use of herbicides.

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    After this event,

    https://www.welt.de/wissenschaft/art...-geklaert.html

    when a nicotinoid was used in a wrong way with wrong technique .

    The farmers and beekeepers try to be co-workers now.
    This means that fruit trees and fields are sprayed when no hives are near and no bees foraging and a new technique is used for sowing.
    Since then the beekeepers have less losses and the farmers more harvest. So there must be an impact on the bees.
    Iīm talking about my location, Iīm not aware what happens in the rest of germany.

    Here the bees starve in a more natural setting, they need the agricultural environment.

    Dick, you are right about the chemicals once used. DDT or other insecticides were used extensively and today the chemicals are much more controlled.

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    For many years now, daily temperatures have been recorded at most places on the globe. So for most people, if they know where to look, would be able to see what daily temperatures where they live have been, going back the last 30 years, or in many cases a lot longer than that.

    So establishing global warming has not been difficult. With a big enough computer, temperature data can be collected from thousands of places all over the globe, added up and averaged, and shows the average temperature of the planet is getting warmer. This is not in doubt it is simple maths.

    The debate, if one can call it that, is not if the world is getting hotter, but the why. Is it just cyclical as has happened in the past, or is it man made? To attempt to answer this question, data is collected on the things man can influence, such as atmospheric gases that trap warmth from the sun, and how much of that is there because humans made it by mining and burning fossil fuels. Various types of scientific geeks collect and analyse this data, look for correlations, and do a bunch of other stuff, then attempt to determine how much of global warming is down to us.

    Some big business, such as oil and coal, can do better in the short term if they can convince enough people that global warming is "fake news". Some politicians can also get better results short term by denying the need to do anything that might cost, to protect the planet. Some of them knowingly, and there are some who probably just don't get it themselves.
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    Getting off topic but here in Aus there has been a bit of a uproar about the Bureau Meteorology modifying historical temperature records. Some of these records go back over 100 years and were lowered because they were outside what was expected as normal max temp. In the last few weeks we have discovered the BoM system has been disregarding temperatures this winter below a certain point as they fall outside what is expected as the normal minimum range for the location.

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    220>> why would they alter these records? the explanation does not sound plausible. who gave the directive to do this?

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    220>> why would they alter these records? the explanation does not sound plausible. who gave the directive to do this?
    Why is a good question. Who gave the directive is a good question. I have not seen answers to either. But, what is absolutely 100% clear is what 220 posted is correct and a matter of public record. The data was flat out fudged. It may not sound plausible to you but it is a fact anyhow. I do not see why you do not find it plausible. Lots of bee research has been fudged and still gets published. Just a month ago there was all kinds of discussion on a publication where less than 10 cherry picked observations out of some 250 total observations were used to draw a conclusion that was statistical nonsense. The authors used experimental noise in the data to get the conclusion they wanted to get from the experiments. Or was it 150 total observations? Thing was such a joke I have forgotten the details.

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    I have no idea who authorised the changes, most of those revised down were from the late 18th early 19th century. The explaination as I understand it is that they are outside the statistical norm and that changes in the way temperature is read means they could be out by a degree or 2c so they were revised down.
    My understanding of the current disregarding of low temps is that it was due to automation of most weather stations. The programs they run have a built in min/max temp range and anything outside the pre decided temps is disregarded as an error.

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    Looking from Europe and saying what people here think is that USA is acting pretty recklessly when not signing the Paris climate accord.

    Why would there not be such fast warming in the past if it were not man made?

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    In earth history these climate changes were always happening and there is no evidence that itīs man made now.

    But in a short time man used so many resources that we will have to change our attitudes or change our way of living ( or need another planet).

    Since the population of the world still increases and no one wants to downshift I see a possibility of change in technology or science.

    Still, it will not be enough. Pests and disease or natural catastrophes must eliminate mankind to save the earth.

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    A NASA consens? Interesting.

    The governments invented a CO2 problem, which is very profitable.

    But all other factors of climate change are ignored. Sun activity? Rain forests extinct? Radiowaves of cellphones and computers? Airplane traffic? Agriculture technologies?.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiWolKe View Post
    A NASA consens? Interesting.

    The governments invented a CO2 problem, which is very profitable.?.........
    Wow.
    You surely have some strange ideas. Not only in beekeeping.

    Quote Originally Posted by SiWolKe View Post
    But all other factors of climate change are ignored. Rain forests extinct? Radiowaves of cellphones and computers? Airplane traffic? Agriculture technologies?.........
    I thought those were man made.

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    in our area, if there is a drought going on the bee's will gather corn pollen and and they will die

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    you have proved my point lol.. most scientist are used to milk out more money for socialist programs .. global warming is a hoax and a lot of real scientist are coming out and telling the truth on it now. no such thing.. and you wonder why I question all studies done by scientist on phophates... if it doesn't make cents their is a buck in it.. those who promote global warming have bats in their belfry.. one brick shy of a load... retards.... lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juhani Lunden View Post

    Why would there not be such fast warming in the past if it were not man made?
    There are numerous periods where earth's temperatures changed faster and more than has happened in the last 40 years. About 1000 years ago it was also warmer than it is today by a couple of degrees and 250 years ago it was a couple of degrees colder than it is today. We have excellent temp records year by year for the last 10,000 years and can see numerous times of sudden temperature change world wide. In fact, the head climate guy at East Anglia, Phil Jones, said in a public presentation to the BBC that the rate of warming for the periods of 1860 to 1880, 1920 to 1940 and 1975 to 2005 all had identical slopes.

    Does any of this mean carbon dioxide does not matter? Of course not. But, I do think when people talk about the history of global temperatures they really should tell the truth and admit that by itself the last 40 years are well within the normal range for both absolute temperature as well as rate of change in temperature compared to history. I also thing Australia and others including the US should stop fudging the data to make it show some desired conclusion. I think the US leaving the Paris accord was really stupid. Why leave when staying costs you zero and keeps the conversation going smoothly? Besides, we all know no one is going to cut carbon dioxide emissions anyhow. Things like electric cars and solar power generate more carbon dioxide than simply burning fossil fuels to get around or to light your home. And do not even get me started on the negative consequences of burning ethanol as fuel. From an environmental standpoint this is about the dumbest idea ever dreamed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Cryberg View Post
    There are numerous periods where earth's temperatures changed faster and more than has happened in the last 40 years. .
    Maybe I remember wrong. Have you a curve to show is the present CO2 rise anything special, or is there similar, as fast, rises in the past?

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    https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/

    Nasa, isnīt it a US Company, I suppose you say lots of loonatics there too...or maybe 400 000 years isnīt enough ?

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