Split May 11, when to check for brood
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    Default Split May 11, when to check for brood

    I split 2 of my overwintered hives on May 11. I made one 10 frame and 2 nucs. Today I checked for queen cells. The 10 frame had several, the nucs none. I swapped a couple frames of bees, brood and queen cells to the nucs. This still left a few queen cells in the 10 frame. I figure those queens should hatch around 5/26. How many weeks after should I check for brood. I figure a couple at least. Please advise.

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    Default Re: Split May 11, when to check for brood

    Definitely wait longer than you want; http://www.bushfarms.com/beesqueenrearing.htm

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    Default Re: Split May 11, when to check for brood

    3 weeks from today.

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    Default Re: Split May 11, when to check for brood

    I would check the weekend of June 10th.

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    Default Re: Split May 11, when to check for brood

    Yes, June 1o weekend at the earliest. Look for areas of cleaned and polished cells at the time too. If you see that but no eggs/larva, the queen should be almost there.

    In the future, it would be better to just take away the queen in a nuc and let the remaining strong colony produce several queen cells till capped, then split more according to your resources and cells, and how many you want. Stronger colonies can make better queens.

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    Default Re: Split May 11, when to check for brood

    Quote Originally Posted by DanielD View Post
    Stronger colonies can make better queens.
    "The 10 frame had several, the nucs none."

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    Default Re: Split May 11, when to check for brood

    The splits were for swarm control. The nucs were made up by splitting in half one box from an overwintered hive. The 10 frame split was from a different overwintered hive. The only reason I didn't just do 2 ten frame splits was lack of equipment. I realize the strong queenless colony will make the best queens. This is exactly why I transplanted some of those nice queen cells into the nucs. The split that made the queen cells is from a swarm I received last year from a mother colony that has weathered several of our winters. I figure, better odds of survival versus the packages I've been getting. I'll wait until around the 10th to check. Thanks.

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    Default Re: Split May 11, when to check for brood

    I looked the other day and 2 of 3 splits had nice brood patterns. The 3rd appears to be a bit behind the other 2, having only eggs. I'll keep an eye on the 3rd to make sure it's a laying queen and not a laying worker.

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    Default Re: Split May 11, when to check for brood

    Quote Originally Posted by bjorn View Post
    I looked the other day and 2 of 3 splits had nice brood patterns. The 3rd appears to be a bit behind the other 2, having only eggs. I'll keep an eye on the 3rd to make sure it's a laying queen and not a laying worker.
    The 3rd one is most likely a queen. They usually have to be queenless at least 6 weeks to develop laying workers. Also, how many eggs per cell? One egg in the middle of the cell means queen, since laying workers lay more than one egg per cell and they aren't in the center, they are all around the side walls.
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    Default Re: Split May 11, when to check for brood

    Quote Originally Posted by c-bees View Post
    The 3rd one is most likely a queen. They usually have to be queenless at least 6 weeks to develop laying workers. Also, how many eggs per cell? One egg in the middle of the cell means queen, since laying workers lay more than one egg per cell and they aren't in the center, they are all around the side walls.
    I was having trouble seeing them. It was a bright sunny day. I thought I may have seen a couple with multiple eggs, but my eyes may have deceived me. Like I said, I'll check back again.

    I did just lose a hive a week ago that definitely had multiple eggs per cell. No bees to speak of, just a bunch of cells with multiple eggs and some young brood. I'm guessing the queen died and they just slowly died off. They never really bounced back after winter.

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