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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Best way to kill workers from Nasty hive

    As you said, move the hive/hives and put an box in the old location. Put an empty super on top with #8 hardware cloth between it and the hive body. After dark put duct tape over the entrance. Remove the lid and put dry ice in the super. The next morning, clean out the deep. This won't harm any comb you put into the hive body.

    In response to the poster who said there is no reason to kill bees...... You haven't encountered the wrong hive yet. I don't live in an AHB area but I got covered up by 1000's of bees from one hive. They gone.

    Edit to add: I didn't read through all the responses before I posted. Publix grocery stores sell dry ice, if you have one in the area.
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    BeeBro - Thank you. Is an interesting idea with the swap. However, my concern at this time with the swarm is whatever they got sprayed with has now been rubbed off onto the trap, the hive, the super and all the frames. I do not know if they are doomed and any bees that get into those areas will also be affected. Think I'll post a general question about that. New queens in my area are not available until Late April. The trio split is a stall. Not able or willing to pay $50. for a queen at this time. I need more experience first so I don't do something stupid.

    Billboard - Thank you. Yes, I understand many of the genes in these queens will be the same as the original queen. I am stalling for time until local queens are available so I can re-queen.

    BradBee - Thank you - We don't have Publix here - that's more in your area as I recall. We don't even have Kroger near here any more. Wally world taking over - and it sounds like Amazon wants to take over wally world.

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    BradBee - Thanks for explaining exactly how is the best way to do the dry ice thing. The videos of people in tank tops working their bees or just short sleeved shirt - wouldn't you like to see them work a hive like that.?? ha ha ha My other hive, the nice one that I want to raise queens from I can work with a light jacket and depending on the time of year maybe without a jacket. Now if work will free me up long enough to build a couple of nucs - the nice hive should have enough extra resources by now to swipe a few frames to get started. Long term plan - never to be caught with no spare queens if needed.

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    Funny that you mentioned the "tank top" beekeepers. A guy mentioned that to me yesterday while we were working some nucs. I doubt anyone who has ever had 1000's and 1000's of bees come at them all at once, would work a hive without adequate protection. The day I robbed honey from the hive I mentioned above, my then 12 year old son was helping me. If he hadn't been in a head to boot suit, I would have absolutely freaked out. He just stood there, I guess because his stupid dad just stood there, but I didn't know what else to do at the moment. I think my "fight or flight" instinct was broken that day. We ended up walking home, from that site at the hay barn, which is a little over 1/4 mile and I still had 50 or so bees on my veil when we walked into the garage.

    If we hadn't been suited up, we would have been in serious danger. I don't wear a suit, only a vented jacket. I got stung over 50 times that daym through my denim overalls, but those are never full dose stings so they rarely even turn red for me.
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    Brad Bee - I have vented suit. Had gotten a regular suit an everyone talking about need a vent suit for the summer heat when it is 100+, well, I had a good month so found one on sale and went for it. Bulky - but.... the advantages out weight the weight. Rather use jacket like I had on to work the nice hive and sick swarm - should not have gotten into one of the trio, that's when I got all the stings. Man, I thought 400' was a long way for them to be after me (no honey robbing excuse for my bees - grin) 1/4 mile - long walk for son and dad. Fight or flight - well, growing up in Calif as a little girl, my dad would tell me to freeze and act like a statue, they will go away - don't swat at them or run around or panic. Maybe that thinking was in the back of your mind rather than your "fight or flight" instinct being on a coffee break or taking the day off. Good thing he had full suit on and you had on your heavy denim overalls on too - was a huge help. Yes, if he had not been suited up, I would have freaked out too. Not sure what I would have done at that time. Was reading other night Michael Bush said to run thru bushes/branches helps discourage them. Not always an option, but interesting thought to keep in mind for that someday when you can't remember what it was. ha ha

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    I'm late to this thread, but have some 'opinions' on this type of situation. You cannot effectively communicate an attack by a hive or hives of bees that come out of their hive entrance by the hundreds and hundreds in defense of their hive with little or no provocation. Most of those giving advice above have never had their veil covered in bees to the point they could not see. Such is the occasional reality in AHB areas.

    It is NOT nonsense to remove hyper defensive honey bees from the gene pool! Eliminating dangerous honey bees from your apiary/community can be done with a large plastic bag. Place it over your double deep and tuck the opening under the edges of the hive. A good pump sprayer with a cup or two of dawn soap and three or four quarts of water will kill them within minutes too. Both methods are distasteful, but you are eliminating a deadly threat...The ends justify the means when you are protecting yourself, your family and neighbors from a dangerous situation.

    Keep in mind that a good hive can have a bad day. Sometimes, it is best to replace the cover and come back another day. Many times a hive will have a completely different personality when you return.

    You can take brood frames from that hive and place them in a gentler hive. Researchers report those bees from aggressive hives will still be aggressive, but slightly less so after hatching and functioning in a gentler hive. But usually the hive getting those frames of bees will be smaller and will, in general, be less aggressive already.

    Don't forget that drones are an effective delivery service for aggressive genes, you will want to destroy them too, not just foragers.

    Africanized Honey Bees, and to lesser extent European Honey Bees, usurp target hives by sending out small usurpation swarms. I see half a dozen of these softball to soccer-ball sized swarms each year. They land on or near a target hive, send in assassins to kill the resident queen, and then escort their queen into the hive where she takes over. This is one way your hive could have turned mean. The December 2010 issue of the ABJ has an article by Dr. Magnum on the subject of usurpation swarms. A usurpation swarm looks like this attack on a mating NUC:
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    400 foot chase!!?

    If that were my colony I would kill as many as possible and destroy all brood. I would do so very early in the morning to make sure I got as many drones as possible, the queen(s) and all queen cells as well as all brood.

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    Yes, life was different in Maryland than here in Texas.

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