NewBee from South Carolina
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  1. #1
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    Default NewBee from South Carolina

    Hi,
    I’m John from Orangeburg, South Carolina
    A New Bee April 17, 2016..I got my first package of bees, local….
    'Installed them in a homemade top bar hive…
    48 x 19 x 11… entrance on the end…3 days later removed the queen cage…

    It looked like the hive was doing well on about day 10 they absconded…
    I was in the backyard and heard them…
    I followed them to a tree about 30 feet away and about 20 feet up…
    through a rope across the limb and pulled it close enough to reach with a ladder…
    put them back in the hive… 3 days later they left again….
    This time about 20 feet from the hive and could reach with a ladder…. Put them back in the hive…
    (Been a beek less than 3 weeks and caught 2 swarms…)
    A few days later I returned home from work they were gone again…
    I should have found and sequestered the queen….
    Not much comb, No eggs and it the comb was built the across all the bars the wrong way… Don’t give up…

    I bought another package and had this one shipped to me…
    Added a homemade follower board feeder I Installed this one on May 19...
    I left the cork in for 4 days... Removed the cork...
    Most of the candy was gone from the inside of the cage...
    3 days later removed the queen cage…. This queen is a layer…
    bees can't seem to keep up with her…
    Now I have about 6 frames of brood, plus 2 smaller combs of honey and pollen on each end ...
    2 at the back 2 at the front of the brood nest…
    Bees are hatching now… I think I will add 2 new bars between the straightest combs they have build for brood…
    Is this the right thing to do? She is laying in the cells where they have hatched from… and do I still feed them?
    Last edited by John T; 06-12-2016 at 07:58 AM.

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  3. #2
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    Default Re: NewBee from South Carolina

    Welcome to Beesource!


    >> It looked like the hive was doing well on about day 10 they absconded…

    I'm curious ... Does your Top Bar hive have a screened bottom that was 'open'?


    >> and do I still feed them?

    With 10 bars built out, I'd say you can stop feeding if you want. Your winters are not that severe, but periodically re-evaluate their stores.

    FYI, if you use the words 'frames' at Beesource, many readers will assume that you have actual wood surrounding the drawn comb. "Bars" is less confusing if your hive just has wood across the top of the comb. There are actually some 'long' horizontal Lang hives that that use full frames, but from the outside resemble "top bar" hives.
    Graham
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    Default Re: NewBee from South Carolina

    Welcome to beekeeping and to Beesource:: Like Rader asked, Do you have an open screen bottom?

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    Default Re: NewBee from South Carolina

    Yes I do have a screened bottom... the bees i have now seem to be OK with it...
    it is in the upper 80's and 90's now close to tripple digits today...
    Last edited by John T; 06-12-2016 at 08:19 AM.

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    Default Re: NewBee from South Carolina

    Yes I do have a screened bottom... the bees i have now seem to be OK with it...
    it is in the upper 80's and 90's now close to tripple digits today...

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    Default Re: NewBee from South Carolina

    For future reference, I'd say it is a smart idea to always close off a screened bottom when installing a package of bees or a swarm into any hive. There are lots of threads on Beesource where *new* bees have absconded from a hive with an open screened bottom.

    As to whether an open screened bottom actually assists the bees in maintaining an appropriate temperature for their hive, I'd say the evidence is not all that positive. Keep in mind that while humans think temperatures in the mid 70s are 'comfortable', bees need to maintain their brood nest at 94 degrees F. And they want it at 94 degrees 24/7, including at night (at least in the 'brood' season). If the brood area less than 94 degrees, then they need to heat it up to that temperature.

    Bees are experienced at using evaporative cooling to bring the temperature in the brood area to BELOW ambient outside temperature, if necessary. But they need to be able to actively manage ventilation to effectively
    use evaporative cooling. And having a big open hole in the bottom of the hive impedes the bees' efforts at evaporative cooling.

    More discussion of this topic in these threads:
    https://www.beesource.com/forums/show...reened-bottoms
    https://www.beesource.com/forums/show...-Bottom-Boards
    Graham
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    Default Re: NewBee from South Carolina

    I kinda thought that too…
    also I had other factors that could have lead up to the bees leaving…
    Location, I had the hive in the middle of the area where I plant the garden… Full sunshine….
    New wood and glue... only 3 weeks old...

    Also had an ants… little sugar ants … not the biting kind…
    I have moved the hive to a shady location and corrected the ant problem…
    I think I may just close the bottom….
    A log does not have a screen door…
    Last edited by John T; 06-12-2016 at 09:14 AM.

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    Default Re: NewBee from South Carolina

    Welcome! It is all a learning experience. Love your attitude!

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    Default Re: NewBee from South Carolina

    Welcome I'm in charleston, sc. Pm me if you ever need anything

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    Default Re: NewBee from South Carolina

    it seems to be alot of good info on this site...
    I want to thank each and every one of you for Letting me feel welcome…
    I hope to chat again soon... thanks
    Last edited by John T; 06-12-2016 at 03:38 PM.

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    Default Re: NewBee from South Carolina

    Welcome to BeeSource and enjoy your bees.
    "Sometimes the best action, with bees, is no action at all."

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    Default Re: NewBee from South Carolina

    John T, I started with top bar and evolved to top bar and lang deeps. Both had full bottom screens. I have experimented for a good many years and have settled down with a system where I have the middle third of the bottom screened in both types of hive boxes, before installing the bees I cover this screened area with landscaping cloth, which blocks the light but lets air in, after a month I remove the cloth and the bees are fine, I keep my colonies in full sun. The full sun and the screened bottoms are for pest control.

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    Default Re: NewBee from South Carolina

    Welcome John! Persistence pays providentially!
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