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    Default How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    I have Queens coming the first of next week to requeened some hives. My question is how long should I wait after removing the old Queen before I put the new one in? If I wait to long won't they start to build cells to requeen themselves?
    Thanks for all the advice.

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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    If you use a push-in introduction cage, do it immediately.

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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    You will need to make sure all new queen cells are taken out

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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    lees than 24 hours. some say wait a couple of hours. some say overnight.as mr. palmer states you can do it right away. the answer is as soon as you can, less than a day.it does not take the bees long to figure out there is no queen.

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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    how long before you take the cage out?

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    ss......as soon as you see it empty. in my case it was a week this year. 3 or 4 days is typical. on the 10 packages and splits this year all the queens were out of the cages ok. i put them in and left them for a week due to bad weather. it is still cold and windy. 3 weeks after installation, i guess i should check for brood sometime. i did have all drawn comb with some honey. the packages are all still on their first quart of feed. the splits have all been refilled at least once. all had a protein patty. the patties were all nibbled at when i pulled the cages at a week, i have not been in the hives since. i have had days when there was a little motion around the entrances but no weather for work. if we do not have some working weather real soon more sub patties will be called for.
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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    I usually put the new queen immediately after pinching the old one if that is her fate. Or rub her into the screen of the new queens cage to meld the odors. After three full days, I check to see if the queen is released and if not I directly release her by pulling three outside frames and with my hands down at the bottom of the hive body, pull the plug and let her run under the frames----instead of possibly flying off---which happens and has happened to me before I got more careful.

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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    I rarely wait more than a couple of hours....usually less although I have done it by removing the old queen the night before.
    "My wife always wanted girls. Just not thousands and thousands of them......"

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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    I meant a push in cage sorry for the confusion. I have done it in the past. feel like i dont want to pester a angry hive that is queenless too much or make the situation worst by checking too much. but dont want the queen and her freshly hatched nurse bees to be in there too long.

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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    Quote Originally Posted by SS Auck View Post
    I meant a push in cage sorry for the confusion.
    4 days

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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    Thanks MP. you are a living legend especially to us newer beekeepers.

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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    Quote Originally Posted by SS Auck View Post
    Thanks MP. you are a living legend especially to us newer beekeepers.
    Older as well. I second the thanks to Michael.
    "My wife always wanted girls. Just not thousands and thousands of them......"

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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Palmer View Post
    4 days
    Clarity??????

    My understanding is that it takes approximately 72 hours to eliminate the pheromone of old queen.

    Are you saying 4 days truly queenless?????

    Or ensure new queen is safe for 4 days in a queen cage or push in cage?
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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgolden View Post
    Clarity??????

    My understanding is that it takes approximately 72 hours to eliminate the pheromone of old queen.

    Are you saying 4 days truly queenless?????

    Or ensure new queen is safe for 4 days in a queen cage or push in cage?
    Pretty sure he means after 4 days in the push in cage you need to let her out (if they aren't acting aggressively towards her). And when you do, check the whole hive for queen cells because they're likely to start emergency cells while the queen is caged.

    Bees know they're queenless far faster than 72 hours.

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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    Quote Originally Posted by jwcarlson View Post

    Bees know they're queenless far faster than 72 hours.
    more like 45 minutes, but it can take a few days for a colony to accept a new queen.

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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    Quote Originally Posted by jwcarlson View Post
    Pretty sure he means after 4 days in the push in cage you need to let her out (if they aren't acting aggressively towards her). And when you do, check the whole hive for queen cells because they're likely to start emergency cells while the queen is caged.

    Bees know they're queenless far faster than 72 hours.
    Yes, I know bees can sense loss of queen in minutes. When I separate my two brood boxes, one can usually predict which brood box is queenless and which brood box to inspect thoroughly for the queen.

    The point is that the hive will most likely not accept a new queen for some 72 hours without balling her. Hence, protect her in queen cage or push in cage.

    Is a hive considered queenless when new queen is in cage or push in cage in the hive?????????????????
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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgolden View Post
    Is a hive considered queenless when new queen is in cage or push in cage in the hive?????????????????
    I consider my hives queenless up and until the new queen is accepted by the colony.
    And then for a week or two I treat them differently than I would a colony with a long established queen.

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    Default Re: How long should I leave a hive Queen less.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenseye View Post
    Older as well. I second the thanks to Michael.
    Here's another bump for Michael Palmer love - a video I found useful recently on the topic of hive reaction to new queens when queenless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX3B...ature=youtu.be

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