I agree with the above post completely. Take the Cordovan recessive genes for
example. In my little bee experiment I let the queen mated with the local carnis (black)
drones which dominated the DCAs here. Then on the 4th generation of the Italians color
virgin queen, when this queen met another Italians with lighter color, the daughter queens will
turn into a Cordovan, hence preserving the original genetics. But if the daughter met another
carnis drone then there is a 50/50 chance of being an Italians or carnis worker bees but no Cordovan. My education in
bee genetics is still at its infancy. But I know which is the recessive and which is the dominate genes just
like raising the tropical fancy guppies before. i.e. the albinos (red) vs the gray guppy. Quite interesting indeed!
Don't mix foreign bees into a virgin hive. She might get balled 100% of the time! When will you ever learn, huh?
There is only one race of humans.
So how do you determine whether black bees are German? If they exist, and people want them, why isn't someone, even just one someone, breeding and selling them? Can you even find them for sale in Germany or England?
"German Black Bees; any left in the USA?"
I'm skeptical. You'll have to show me.
Then they are insignificant in relation to what exists under management and in Nature.
If the European Black Bee, or "German Black" was brought to the US, and many early citizens had those colonies, it is highly possible that some of them made it to the Wyoming territory; and hived many miles from any other known hives. Anyone who has experienced the wide open territory of Wyoming can imagine that there may not be as much possibility for one colony of honey bees to mix with other colonies; let alone another genre of honeybee. Settlers were often so far from each other that it could take days to visit a neighbor. Those homesteads still do exist out there. Also; the miles between homesteads/colonies did not present lots of opportunities for swarms to find new homes. It is flat open grassland.
If a pioneer took hives to the new territory, and those colonies have stayed in their immediate area with little or no chance to relocate throughout the generations, as suggested in the original post, it is highly possible that those colonies could have remained strong in their genetics. They may not be German Blacks, but they may be some good quality stock that has survived nearly a century on their own. If it were my opportunity, I would like to investigate this colony just out of curiosity. Maybe they are German Blacks.
That is what I have been thinking. Yet, I still don't have an answer as to whether or not anyone has proven the current existence of the European Black Bee in the US. I get the idea that some genetics may still remain and mixed with others, but as to whether or not there are any known pure strains, I guess the answer is; no one really knows.
No one famous.
He never liked the Carnica bees although he tried hard to integrate the Carnicas to do his German fellows a favour. Never got much success getting something useful out of Carnicas though.
A black bee is not so black as the name suggests. The best indicator is the roundish butt whereas other bees have a pointy abdomen.
There has been genetic testing done on US bees, isn't it? Wasn't there a study who profiled the genetic population of American bees? Tought I read a study somewhere.
A very good presentation, from 32 mins on talks about apis mellifera mellifera
Stephen 40+ hives. 6th year. Treat. Germany.
Ok just a thought but do you not think that all bees have some genetics from all strains of honey bees of days gone bye. Breeding can get what ever you want in any creature if you know what you are after. From my knowledge correct me if I'am wrong but there are only two breeds of honey bee and the rest are just Strains of there blood crossed to get what you see today. Someone liked em black so he bread for all black. The same goes for any trait, today we got the upper hand though we can AI and cut the time in half to get what we are after. Me personally they are all good I think we need to breed to get bees that can make it with out any treatment. We are there worst enemy
Personally, I am not the worst enemy of my bees.
In the long run if we treat for every little problem then we are taking there ability to survive as a hole. We can't beat nature no matter how hard we try. Watch some of Michael bush's videos he brings out some very good points.
Wikipedia was the first search result... I don't have my copy of Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey handy...
The Buckfast contains heritage from mainly A. m. ligustica (North Italian), A. m. mellifera (English), A. m. mellifera (French), A. m. anatolica (Turkish) and A. m. cecropia (Greek).
Before Delaney's research there was this one:
Both studies show that feral bees are distinct from commercial bees genetically.
There is much more cooperation in nature than anything else. In fact you have much more microbial cells than human cells in your body, you live with partners. You are an example of what cooperation of living things means. Same with the bee. We are partners of the bees, like it or not. And bees are our partners.
If your microbial partners would decide to leave the partnership with you, because your microbes listened to a video they found on youtube, you'd die in a day or two. Life needs partnership and cooperation.
It is called biom. Human biom for example. Or in case of beekeepers: human beeom. Bees and us. If you hate yourself, that's your decision. If you hate bees, the same. I love humans and I love bees. That's why I care for humans and bees likewise. That's it.
but I suppose that modern medicine could be "disconnection from the nature and normal operation process"
[QUOTE]... higher incidence of cancer is a result of longer life spans and better understanding of the underlying causes of our symptoms. /QUOTE]
I agree. Human was designed to "operate" for 45 years, but it was not designed to be protected from smocking, pollution and other recent additions to human life-style. The bottom line is that cancer etc. is nothing to do with "million-years evolution."