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  1. #1
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    Default Mite away question

    I did an alcohol wash and I need to treat now for mites. I still have supers on a few of my hives so I decided to try out Mite away quick strips. I have been waiting on the weather to get cool enough *85 degrees to treat but this is the south and it isn't going to happen. The next few days the high is going to be 85 86 and 87 with periods of rain. Are these conditions good enough to use the strips or am I going to burn up the brood?

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    My conditions are even hotter right now. High in 90s for a few weeks. I had to go to Apiguard for that reason. Had 8 mites in a alcohol wash so it was time. Formic is pretty tough on the hives. You might want to consider getting some Apiguard. I use formic at the end of August/beginning of September.

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    Early in the season I used MAQS for the first time. I had to wait for a temperature window and started the treatment on June 6. The first day was a high of 73 and forecast temps for the end of the treatment period were going to be mid to high 80's. I used the 2-strip treatment and offset the top box about 1/2 inch for ventilation.

    I removed the strips 6/13 and found the following...
    Zero eggs or exposed brood. A very small amount of capped brood was remaining.
    Where there had been capped brood was now nectar and pollen bound. (I moved some frames around to adjust)
    Bees were extremely aggressive and at the time did not know if this was due to the formic acid treatment or if the treatment had created a queenless situation.

    A week after the strips were removed I did another inspection and, to my relief, there were eggs and larvae visible so I knew the queen was there. The colony was thriving.

    After my experience and now knowing how hard the formic acid is on the colony, I personally wouldn't push the temperature limit especially during those first few days. I think it is too risky. I will use the MAQS again but only when the temps are below the 85 degree threshold. I am currently using Oxalic Acid vapor with a wand.

    IF you go forward with the MAQS treatment just realize it is harsh and you will set the colony back a bit and possibly lose your queen. I have not tried the alternative one-strip method so cannot discuss how that affects the colony but if you are going to use the strips now you may want to consider that method.

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    Default Re: Mite away question

    I use formic and agree with Kelly that it can be hard on the colony and that is mitigated by applying at temps as low as you can get for the first 3 days, and never exceeding 85f. I shoot for low 80s and am going to apply on a late afternoon to take advantage of lower night time temps for the initial 18 hrs or so. I do believe applying it frozen moderates the initial "shock". J

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    Default Re: Mite away question

    they do have the single pad method, that's what most of us use up here, no queen loses, most all treatments affect some brood
    mike syracuse ny
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    Default Re: Mite away question

    Anybody here still using the 65%liquid formic acid on meat blotters option? It gives you the option of lower dosing over an extended time.
    Frank

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    Default Re: Mite away question

    Quote Originally Posted by wildbranch2007 View Post
    they do have the single pad method, that's what most of us use up here, no queen loses, most all treatments affect some brood
    how do you do the one pad treatment?
    are the temp restrictions the same?

    GG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Goose View Post
    how do you do the one pad treatment?
    are the temp restrictions the same?

    GG
    Same temp restrictions. Instead of 7 days there is a 21 day treatment period. Below is cut and paste from instructions.

    Option 2: 21-day treatment
    On Day+0: Lay one strip across the frames in the center of the
    brood chamber. Follow the Application Options pictogram.
    Add a honey super with frames at time of application if necessary to provide adequate space for strong colonies to expand,
    or if a honey flow is expected. It is acceptable to have queen
    excluders in place.
    On Day+14: Apply a second single strip as described above.
    The application of the second strip may be delayed if weather
    conditions at day +14 do not allow for treatment. The second
    strip must be applied as soon as weather conditions permit to
    complete treatment.
    Post Application: Do not disturb the colony during the treatment period (exception: removing and replacing strip at day

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyW View Post
    Same temp restrictions. Instead of 7 days there is a 21 day treatment period. Below is cut and paste from instructions.

    Option 2: 21-day treatment
    On Day+0: Lay one strip across the frames in the center of the
    brood chamber. Follow the Application Options pictogram.
    Add a honey super with frames at time of application if necessary to provide adequate space for strong colonies to expand,
    or if a honey flow is expected. It is acceptable to have queen
    excluders in place.
    On Day+14: Apply a second single strip as described above.
    The application of the second strip may be delayed if weather
    conditions at day +14 do not allow for treatment. The second
    strip must be applied as soon as weather conditions permit to
    complete treatment.
    Post Application: Do not disturb the colony during the treatment period (exception: removing and replacing strip at day
    This is how I treat with it to cause less stress but still don't do it higher than the recommended 85 degrees.

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    Default Re: Mite away question

    Jon, with the one-strip treatment do you still offset the top box for extra ventilation?

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    Default Re: Mite away question

    If the hive has 2 deeps, I place the strip in between the brood chambers. If it has 1, I place it on top of that deep. I would only add an additional super on top if the hive has a lot of bees. Haven't lost any queens to this yet. Also, I've moved to Formic Pro due to its longer shelf life.
    Last edited by jonsl; 07-29-2020 at 06:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Goose View Post
    how do you do the one pad treatment?
    are the temp restrictions the same?

    GG
    Kellyw gives you what the label says, we do one pad, 10 days later do the second pad, we have done it in the very low 90's this year, not seen any negative affects. Since we do it the day we pull honey supers, we do add supers back on. Not real sure if doing the single pad method will kill the mites under the caps further away from the pad, but we are only using it to knock down the mites and treat again after the final pull of honey. I've never figured out why they go the 14 day's between treatments. with the number of days from egg layed until capped subtracted from the total to hatch, you get better coverage with the 10 days considering the first 3 days have the most formic. And most of my hives are 3 deeps, but I do treat in the spring so my mite counts are never usually to high in July any way.
    mike syracuse ny
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    Quote Originally Posted by rtaylor View Post
    I did an alcohol wash and I need to treat now for mites. I still have supers on a few of my hives so I decided to try out Mite away quick strips. I have been waiting on the weather to get cool enough *85 degrees to treat but this is the south and it isn't going to happen. The next few days the high is going to be 85 86 and 87 with periods of rain. Are these conditions good enough to use the strips or am I going to burn up the brood?
    I would not advise using formic pro or mqs at temps 85 or above, wait for a cooler rainy period. You need cooler temps for the first 3 days. Apply the frozen strips late in the day or early evening for more gradual release of the fumigant. Use an empty box above your top super for a little extra ventilation. Don't forget to do a mite check at the end of your treatment to see how it worked. If you still have mites be prepared for another treatment (Apivar ideally) in Sept or Oct after the honey supers are off. Treatment at this time of the year should knock back mites to give the bees a good chance to build winter bees, but you want to get to 0 mites by late fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beecandy View Post
    Don't forget to do a mite check at the end of your treatment to see how it worked. by late fall.
    interesting have gotten into some discussions about this, when does everybody test after the formic?
    mike syracuse ny
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    Default Re: Mite away question

    Quote Originally Posted by jonsl View Post
    If the hive has 2 deeps, I place the strip in between the brood chambers. If it has 1, I place it on top of that deep. I would only add an additional super on top if the hive has a lot of bees. Haven't lost any queens to this yet. Also, I've moved to Formic Pro due to its longer shelf life.
    Formic acid goes DOWN in the hive. Place the strips as high as you can, so it will get ALL the mites.

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    Default Re: Mite away question

    Mite Away is notorious for killing the queen. Some beekeepers us 1/4 of a strip with good luck.

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