If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

View Poll Results: Which size woodware would you standardise on if you could start from scratch?

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  • Half Depth

    0 0%
  • Shallow

    0 0%
  • Medium

    57 58.76%
  • Full Depth

    19 19.59%
  • I would't standardise on one size

    21 21.65%
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  1. #1
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    Default If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    Hi All,

    Still trying to decide what size Hives & Frames I want to standardise on, and I realise there is no right or wrong answer. I've seen opinions scattered throughout posts here, but I was hoping to get a range of opinions in one place.

    So the question is, knowing what you know now, and if you could start all over again, ignoring honey yield or equipment cost, what size would you standardise on - Medium, Shallow or Half Depth frames & Supers?

    Thanks.
    Russell.

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    8 frame deeps
    Zone 5 @ 4700 ft. High Desert

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    I did start over again, to all mediums.
    To everything there is a season....

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gillmore View Post
    all mediums.
    Me, too.
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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    for noncommercial I just don't understand why not use all deep frames. The weight isn't an issue for me but if it is you don't have to move the whole box at once, you can take out the frames. I'd rather not have the break in the middle of the brood chamber. So 10-frame deeps for brood box at a minimum, for me.

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    Well... I started out on deeps and shallows (26 years doing that). Then I started over on all deeps (1 year). Then I started over on all mediums (1 year). Then I started over on all eight frame mediums (13 years). I intend to stay with that. At least until I can't lift the boxes... then maybe eight frame shallows...
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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    I would use the deepest size I could get for the brood nest and a shallow or medium for the surplus honey supers, depending on the type nectar flows in the area.
    42 + years - 24 colonies - IPM disciple - Naturally Skeptic

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    I would use all one size to include honey supers.

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    Currently using all mediums. I may move to 8 frame boxes next year but I like the 10 frame boxes I have. Undecided I guess, but will all be mediums.
    Year 2 Zone 6a

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    We started out with all 10 frame mediums for brood boxes and honey supers. Solved a bunch of problems before they existed............uniformity, weight, easier to do foundationless, comb honey.
    Is it summer yet?

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    I think I would switch from 10 frame to 8 frame woodenware.

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    This is one of my retirement hobbies. I went for 8 frame mediums. I used to be able to lift 100 pounds. Now I have a bad back and the idea of dropping hundreds of stinging insects just does seem like a good time, so I downsized.

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    Thanks for the feedback. Interesting results so far, although probably what I'd have expected from other posts I've read. A little surpirsed on the number who wouldn't standardise though. It'd be intersting to see the figures split between commercial vs hobby setups.

    I'm surprised no one has chosen half. While cost, by my calculations is 1.8x and production about 80% of a deep for two half bixes, I'd have thought the benefits of interchangeability with deeps would ahve persuaded some. two halfs fitting in one extractor basket vs other non-deep sizes, and half cost foundation if splitting deep foundation in two vs custom size cost for others sizes, and of course weight is the least of all sizes.

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    Quote Originally Posted by rwurster View Post
    8 frame deeps
    Me too!

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    Quote Originally Posted by SB-Russ View Post
    It'd be intersting to see the figures split between commercial vs hobby setups.
    I agree, that would be interesting.

    If I had to guess, I would bet that 90% of those who use all mediums are hobbyists, or sideliners, with a few commercial guys in my age group thrown in the mix.
    To everything there is a season....

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    8 frame. I tried doing all mediums but couldn't get out of deeps. We do removals where the cut comb better fits a deep and take in hot hives, which inevitably are in double deeps and get split 4 ways. I've got rid of any 10 frame equipment though, that was driving me crazy trying to keep track of what size box I needed.

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    I would consider myself more than a hobbist and if I had no worries of money then I'd go with 8 frame deeps with wood frames and white waxed plastic foundation.

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    I'm gradually switching to all mediums. I still have a lot of deeps and shallows, but all I'm buying are mediums.

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    After going through Nucs again this weekend, I think if I was starting over again I'd go with all 5 frame deep nucs. They are a breeze to check, easy to find the queen in, and bees seem to thrive in them.
    The more I learn about bees, the less I know.

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    Default Re: If you could start again, what size would you standardise on?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gillmore View Post
    I did start over again, to all mediums.
    Me too.

    Stayed with all mediums. 'Might move to 8 frame supers over 10 frame broods.
    After 40 years of beekeeping, I've come to realize that the bees can fix most of my mistakes.

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