Newbee planning to go foundationless - what frames to get?
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    Default Newbee planning to go foundationless - what frames to get?

    Our first 2 nucs will arrive in 5 weeks and after reading tons of books, blogs and forum entries, I think we will go foundationless in the supers.
    There are tons of posts on how to convert to foundationless, but if one starts our from scratch what should they buy?
    Thanks

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    Default Re: Newbee planning to go foundationless - what frames to get?

    Any frame you want. If you get a grooved top bar, insert wood strip. If you get a wedge top bar, insert wood strip.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Newbee planning to go foundationless - what frames to get?

    I like the Kelly F style frames ( may double check that as I'm going from memory on the style ) for foundationless they have a milled V in the top bar, and no grove in the bottom for SHB to hide in.

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    Default Re: Newbee planning to go foundationless - what frames to get?

    i starting using the kelly f style last year. no extra strips to insert after they are assembled. i like them. no problems with them drawing them out staight. make sure your hives are level side to side

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    Default Re: Newbee planning to go foundationless - what frames to get?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Any frame you want. If you get a grooved top bar, insert wood strip. If you get a wedge top bar, insert wood strip.
    I use the ML wedge top and just nail the strip in for a starter. I would suggest solid bottom pieces as another poster said the grooved or split give shb a place to hide. G

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    Default Re: Newbee planning to go foundationless - what frames to get?

    Quote Originally Posted by biggraham610 View Post
    I use the ML wedge top and just nail the strip in for a starter. I would suggest solid bottom pieces as another poster said the grooved or split give shb a place to hide. G
    I take it one step further and just jam the cleat in and don't even worry about nails, the bees will secure it and the fit is fairly tight anyways, at least for Mann Lake frames. If you really want to get fancy, I buy groove top and melt bees wax right into the groove but there's more efficient ways to do it.

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    Default Re: Newbee planning to go foundationless - what frames to get?

    Thanks so much for the great suggestions - I looked up the Mann Lake wedge top frames, but couldn't find any with a solid bottom piece option only grooved or split. Which model number is the one you use? Thanks

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    Default Re: Newbee planning to go foundationless - what frames to get?

    Kelly is the one with the "F" frames not Mann Lake.

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    Default Re: Newbee planning to go foundationless - what frames to get?

    Do you have to add wax to the Kelley F frames? or any other guide to get them to start drawing out comb?

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    Default Re: Newbee planning to go foundationless - what frames to get?

    No

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    Default Re: Newbee planning to go foundationless - what frames to get?

    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 42y 40h 39yTF

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    Default Re: Newbee planning to go foundationless - what frames to get?

    Any frames will do. The Kelley F-Frames are particularly nice. No need to add wax.

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