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  1. #41
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    Default Re: homemade frames...

    Westernbeekeeper posted a nice photo essay on making frames with just a tablesaw and router, here:
    https://www.beesource.com/forums/show...Photo-Tutorial


    Tablesaws can often be found at an affordable price on your local Craigslist.
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    I think the main concern with the design shown is not the absence of the spacing shoulders but rather the lack of any notching and grooving. With any of the standard designs the parts are self aligning and the pieces go together like a jig saw puzzle; much more aligning support and gluing area. Functionally a double mortice and tenon joint. With straight butted joints I think a person would have to be painfully carefull not to pull them apart when working the hives.

    I can understand wanting to simplify construction as it is a lot of fiddling around to build jigs to precisely make the many different cuts for conventional design. I made a set of ~ 60 custom width frames. It was fun but I was darn poorly paid for my time.
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    Nice looking work Frank. G

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    Quote Originally Posted by rookie2531 View Post
    There are different ways to make that bee space, router, table saw, band saw, even jointer. I have done all except jointer. The more you make, the more ideas you will come up with and faster you will get. Look up Ryan beke, free beehive plans on Google. I can't remember the exact site, maybe some one else knows
    I have made over 500 of Ryan's frames and they work great. They are self spacing, easy to build and strong.
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    Rather than reinventing the wheel, focus on producing a piece as close to accepted standards. If you lack the tools to achieve that goal, focus on acquiring those tools. It will pay in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colino View Post
    I have made over 500 of Ryan's frames
    I cringe when I watch this video.

    Please, when you make a cut on a radial arm saw, hold the piece between the blade and the stop, not the piece he held onto. Don't pull the wood across the table saw, push it with a push stick.
    Regards, Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I cringe when I watch this video.

    Please, when you make a cut on a radial arm saw, hold the piece between the blade and the stop, not the piece he held onto. Don't pull the wood across the table saw, push it with a push stick.
    +1 and why would you use a router to make bar ends that slow when you could run a dozen through in the same time with a dado blade

    I did mine using Westernbeekeepers design posted at the top and work really well.

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    I mentioned Ryan because he came up with some ideas to make frames a little different and faster than the dadant style drawing offered on this sites build your own.

    here is the site where you can download the pdf.'s NOw from his ideas, you can use different tools and come up with some faster ways like I did. Good luck.

    http://hiveschoice.com/hives_choice_..._saved_012.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I cringe when I watch this video.

    Please, when you make a cut on a radial arm saw, hold the piece between the blade and the stop, not the piece he held onto. Don't pull the wood across the table saw, push it with a push stick.
    Just because Ryan has some dangerous habits does not make the basic idea a good one. I presented the video for the design concepts it does not mean you have to use tools the way Ryan does to make it work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I cringe when I watch this video.

    Please, when you make a cut on a radial arm saw, hold the piece between the blade and the stop, not the piece he held onto. Don't pull the wood across the table saw, push it with a push stick.
    Agree. It only takes a fraction of a second to have a bad day. I cannot recommend this bush block system enough on the table saw.

    http://www.microjig.com/products/grr-ripper/

    There are many cuts that can be made safely with it that are dangerous with other push blocks. I bought mine after a kick-back accident. I was lucky. Watching the video brought back the memory of my accident. Buying this push block was some of the best money spent on my hobby.

    Be careful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAHunter62 View Post
    Agree. It only takes a fraction of a second to have a bad day. I cannot recommend this bush block system enough on the table saw.

    http://www.microjig.com/products/grr-ripper/

    There are many cuts that can be made safely with it that are dangerous with other push blocks. I bought mine after a kick-back accident. I was lucky. Watching the video brought back the memory of my accident. Buying this push block was some of the best money spent on my hobby.

    Be careful!
    I need to find me one of those. I usually have my dad help me with woodwork stuff because he is a contractor and has much better table saw skills. With one of those i'd be a lot more confident in what i'm doing. Especially with thinner pieces like frames and end bars

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    I make mine and they look like this: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...KZEs1cwyfvhbVA

    You don't have to spend any money to have a very effective pusher.

    http://www.woodworkersworkshop.com/g...push-block.jpg
    http://stretch.zeekzack.com/wp-conte...wStockPush.jpg
    Regards, Barry

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    I have had a question about frames for a while and why not here.

    Could you make the shoulder of the side bar slightly shorter, so the bees would have less area to GLUE TOGETHER? Because my little ladies appear to have figured out how to break down the molecular bond of TiteBond III and add it into there propolis, or at least that is my current theory. Starting in the fall, I seem to need to scrap off the propolis on the shoulder everytime I do a complete inspection or I end up lifting up 4 to 7 frames at once.
    Started 9/13, building slowly, not trying the no treatment anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I make mine and they look like this: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...KZEs1cwyfvhbVA

    You don't have to spend any money to have a very effective pusher.

    http://www.woodworkersworkshop.com/g...push-block.jpg
    http://stretch.zeekzack.com/wp-conte...wStockPush.jpg
    I like that 3rd one.. When we made my frames last winter the part that scared us the most was slicing end bars 1/4" thick and cutting top bars in half from 2x stock. definitely interesting. i'd like to make another set this year before spring rolls around and feel bad to drag him away from his real work for help


    Marsh.. my bees love their propolis too. I shove my hive tool down between the shoulders before trying to pry anything to slice that open. It does come in handy though... I've taken bits of propolis and filled in holes.. glued the entrance reducer in where i want it.. good stuff when you need it

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    I don't see why not. I have also thought about making them taper to a point on one side, so the contact would be smaller.

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