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  1. #141
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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    Velbert, I know that you raise a good number of queens each year. Do you have any advice or suggestions that make it easier to use the Jenter system? Thanks.

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  3. #142
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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    I cut the hanging hooks off so I can access it better I like taking it out of frame when getting out cells

    Place in frame to get cells built(with out cover.

    I have my breeder in a single 4 frame medium 1/2 length.when I place into breeder box I don't place cover on and she lays at will over night it has al ways layer good..
    Usually the other 3 frames are packed and this frame is all she can lay in.

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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    Quote Originally Posted by Velbert View Post
    Seeing is not as easy for me.
    Tried this Jenter queen rearing Last year
    Works wonderfully
    You will not need all the magnifiers and microscope ect.

    https://youtu.be/1EztKH7BC54

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=guP8CD...iel4T2h6W7ptQB
    This another man doing the Jenter

    In foreign language but by watching you will know what is being done
    Velbert, I may try that. I failed some grafts a few weeks ago, from the daughter of one of your 2006 Russians. I had trouble seeing, I kept poking holes through the [new] comb, etc. They did not start a single one. I recombined my starter with the main hive, and got some different glasses, etc, planning to try again. Sunday I found beautiful capped queen cells throughout, scattered over several brood frames. They looked too nice to be emergency cells. I think the queen and swarm had already left. I didn't have the equipment or time at the moment to do much other than split it three ways. 2 will get mated here in Adair county, and one in Tulsa county.

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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    We call them 'mating nucs', but if it's a dearth, the big colonies have a different name, they call them 'feeders'. i am sorry I am going to steal this...... this is awesome

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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    Michael, thank you for your mentorship at bushfarms.com. Could you comment on the time from becoming queen-less until a new queen would emerge? If the queen cells are capped for 16 days, how could they emerge in 3 days?

    Here is a line from bushfarms.com “a few good queens” :

    So if we make a hive queenless (do what you like about having new comb or not) nine days after making them queenless these will be mostly mature and capped and be three days from emerging.

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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    They are not capped for 16 days. They are capped at 16 days in the timeline, a timeline that starts at egg laying.

    Confusing when looking at it from a split timeline, which is already beginning roughly at day 4.
    It is not true that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks.
    They can learn them, they just can't do them.

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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    Queens , workers, and drones all start out the same. Eggs for three days, larvae for 6 days, and then comes the difference. Queen pupal state is 7 days, workers 12 days and drones 15 days. For a total from egg to emergence of 16 days for queens, 21 days for workers, and 24 days for drones. Queens are not capped for 16 days, nor are they capped at 16 days. They are capped at 9 days.

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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    Thanks!

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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    Quote Originally Posted by TNTBEES View Post
    They are capped at 9 days.
    Thanks. Got a little tongue tied myself.
    It is not true that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks.
    They can learn them, they just can't do them.

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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    I have some “queen” larvae in a queenless starter from a Nicot frame. Looks like some have been accepted. I have seen advice to move them to a queen right colony over an excluder. When should I do that? And why or why not leave them in the queenless starter? Thanks again.

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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    Depends on your goals.
    Want to reuse the starter? then move has a strong pull.
    Want to keep your hives natural or not tie up your starter bees. Put over excluder.
    It is not true that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks.
    They can learn them, they just can't do them.

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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    How long after the eggs hatched should I move the queen cells over the excluder? The larvae are 3 days old today.

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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    Here is a discussion of what is essentially a vertical split with some good and bad results.; https://www.beesource.com/forums/sho...grafting/page2

    I do not think it is a case of simply dropping in a cell, nor do I think the age is that crucial as long as they start. An introduction delayed until the bees are feeling a little queenless might help, but too long and they will start their own.

    Ray Marler does his flyback splits by moving the queen back after a few days, I would call that a queenright raising.
    It is not true that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks.
    They can learn them, they just can't do them.

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    Default Re: Rearing queens for a small operation

    If you make them queeneless they typically start with a four day old (from the egg) larvae which will emerge 12 days later and be mated and laying about 2 weeks after that.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 42y 40h 39yTF

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