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    Default Need to seal floor on new honey house (with pictures)

    We built a honey house this summer. We barely got it up and running. We didn't have time for the concrete to cure before we started using it. It is a 30 X 40. We also have a warming room. Still need to frame in the bathroom, closet and install the sink.

    What would be the best way to clean the floor and what should we use to seal it?

    Thanks,
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    Last edited by Crabo; 10-20-2014 at 06:54 AM.

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on new honey house (with pictures)

    If you have been using it have it shot peened then epoxy coated.

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on new honey house (with pictures)

    What is "shot peened?"
    No one famous.

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    Two years ago we fired up a new bottling operation.
    The concrete to be coated was about 23 years old and had propolis patches and oily spots.
    After watching several utube videos about floor coating I was very concerned about adhesion and bubbles in the coating.

    So we rented a heavy-duty floor machine and bought the super aggressive pads.
    We started out using heavy-duty degreaser in hot water, and scrubbed until the water on the floor turned chocolate brown.
    Then we sucked it all up with shop vacs and did it again.
    Rinsed with hot water, vacuumed it up then degreaser.
    We did not get in a hurry. That floor machine and shop vacs ran for hours and hours until the water on the floor was crystal clear.
    AND THE FLOOR LOOKED GREAT!!!!
    After a few extra final rinses, we mixed up some acid etch crystals in water and etched the concrete.
    This is critical for bonding and adhesion.
    We then applied Rustolium Epoxy Shield epoxy floor coating.
    Our floor is light grey / blue with the decorative chips.
    It turned out 100% perfect.
    We have had zero problems and absolutely love the look and how the coating feels and works.
    When we open the doors and let people look (rarely) they always mention the floor.
    Regardless of what system you use; take your time in preparation.
    Preparation and proper application of the coating is the key.
    I have exactly ONE more hive than you.
    That makes my opinion beyond dispute!

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on new honey house (with pictures)

    Make sure you have a vapor barrier otherwise epoxy won't last. I would rather stain and seal it if that's the case..

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on new honey house (with pictures)

    I've used epoxy floor coatings in several garages, with excellent results. But always on well-cured and very clean concrete. The RustOLeum kits come with a mild acid wash kit. If there is any oil on the concrete it needs to be aggressively cleaned with something like TSP. I think they recommend 2 months of curing. And watch the temperature at time of application ... take the recommended temperatures seriously.

    The fellow who recommended it to me had used it on a huge aircraft hangar floor. His comment was, "The only way it comes off it to take concrete with it."

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on honey house

    Sherwin wiliams two part epoxy is the best. Ive had it on my bottling and extracting areas for 17 years with pallet jacks and forklifts on it...still there.

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    Shot peen is also call shot blast. Basically small steel BB shot at the floor. I feel it is the best way. Then grinding with a Diamond floor grinder. Way at the bottom of the list would be acid cleaning. To many ways for failure. The big thing with high build epoxy's is giving the floor tooth. To grip the floor.
    David painting contractor

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on honey house

    If you don't mind could you give me a ball park figure of what the building cost. Thinking of doing the same thing with a building about the size of yours.

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on new honey house (with pictures)

    Quote Originally Posted by HarryVanderpool View Post
    Two years ago we fired up a new bottling operation.
    The concrete to be coated was about 23 years old and had propolis patches and oily spots.
    After watching several utube videos about floor coating I was very concerned about adhesion and bubbles in the coating.

    So we rented a heavy-duty floor machine and bought the super aggressive pads.
    We started out using heavy-duty degreaser in hot water, and scrubbed until the water on the floor turned chocolate brown.
    Then we sucked it all up with shop vacs and did it again.
    Rinsed with hot water, vacuumed it up then degreaser.
    We did not get in a hurry. That floor machine and shop vacs ran for hours and hours until the water on the floor was crystal clear.
    AND THE FLOOR LOOKED GREAT!!!!
    After a few extra final rinses, we mixed up some acid etch crystals in water and etched the concrete.
    This is critical for bonding and adhesion.
    We then applied Rustolium Epoxy Shield epoxy floor coating.
    Our floor is light grey / blue with the decorative chips.
    It turned out 100% perfect.
    We have had zero problems and absolutely love the look and how the coating feels and works.
    When we open the doors and let people look (rarely) they always mention the floor.
    Regardless of what system you use; take your time in preparation.
    Preparation and proper application of the coating is the key.
    How slick is the floor when there is honey on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Kellie View Post
    If you don't mind could you give me a ball park figure of what the building cost. Thinking of doing the same thing with a building about the size of yours.
    My BIL did the dirt work.(Clay was 3-4 feet down) We ran 300+ feet of waterline, buried 6 feet down. (North Dakota) It is a stick building from Menards. We had to have 15 truckloads of sand and gravel mix hauled in for the base. We cleared the trees, did the plumbing, another BIL did a lot of the framing, we had another friend do the electrical. It ended up costing a lot more than we thought.

    We got a deal on the concrete work. 6" floor for $8,000. That's about half price. I had to build the box for the honey sump. That was a pain.

    You could spend 30-45,000 real easy.

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on honey house

    Crabo, thanks for sharing the pics. I've seen a lot of great honey houses recently. Curious, at what point do most people find they need a honey house. How many pounds of honey a year (or # of hives) does having a dedicated honey house and equipment really start making sense (functionally and financially). Obvious there's a range, but curious for those that have one, when was the tipping point for you.

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on new honey house (with pictures)

    Quote Originally Posted by Crabo View Post
    How slick is the floor when there is honey on it?
    Probably pretty slick if it is pure honey!

    But seriously, I have not noticed a problem.
    A lot probably depends on the texture of the concrete surface.
    Ours is not as smooth as glass, but smooth enough not to trap a lot of propolis or wax.
    The particular system that we chose (Epoxy Shield) offered an additive that improves traction.
    We considered it but decided not.
    When we wash up, there are spots here and there of propolis and / or wax that you can scrape off and then spray down again with water.
    I'm afraid that if the surface was much rougher you could never get the floor clean.
    That is, unless you just DUMPED the epoxy on to level it all out.

    One more thing to consider:
    Epoxy shield has a matching epoxy filler for cracks, expansion joints, etc.
    You make the repairs with the filler prior to coating the floor and the repairs DISAPPEAR!!!
    Make sure that when you chose a product, that you assure that they offer a MATCHING filler for repairs.
    I have exactly ONE more hive than you.
    That makes my opinion beyond dispute!

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on honey house

    Quote Originally Posted by JBee View Post
    Crabo, thanks for sharing the pics. I've seen a lot of great honey houses recently. Curious, at what point do most people find they need a honey house. How many pounds of honey a year (or # of hives) does having a dedicated honey house and equipment really start making sense (functionally and financially). Obvious there's a range, but curious for those that have one, when was the tipping point for you.
    We needed a honey house because the equipment we bought was set up 100 miles away. That was too far to travel everyday, particularly when you add in $100 of fuel everyday to make the trip, plus 4 hours of driving. We looked at renting a building, but decided we would build at the last moment. It hurt us this year, but we are ready for next year.

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on honey house

    concrete thickness and psi for a honey house?

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    Speaking as a painting contractor. The best prep is shot blasted. In my book for high $ Epoxy the only way to go. Next would be Diamond grind it. And now days most paint supply companies do not recommend acid etching. To many contaminants get left behind.

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on honey house

    We poured our floor this year. 6 inches thick 4000 psi. we are in a lot colder climate than you , on clay. I put 3 inches of closed cell foam foiled covered under it and it has pex radiant tubes tied to the rebar.

    Crabo i that metal or plastic on the walls?

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on honey house

    metal

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    Default Re: Need to seal floor on honey house

    Crabo, can I just say...

    Beautiful.

    Just exactly what I'd like to be building for myself right now.
    Well done!

    Adam

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