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    Default 2-1 Sugar Syrup

    If a 1-1 recipe for sugar syrup calls for 1 4lb bag of sugar and 3 qts. of water, wouldn't 2-1 call for 2 bags (4lb bags) of sugar to the same 3 qts. of water? Or am I completely missing something?

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    Default Re: 2-1 Sugar Syrup

    When I make 2:1 I use 1 gallon water to 16 pounds of sugar. Water is 8.34# to a gallon that is why I use 16# of sugar.

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    Default Re: 2-1 Sugar Syrup

    4 lb of suger to 2 16oz of water is 2-1

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    Default Re: 2-1 Sugar Syrup

    1 pint sugar is close to a pound.
    1 pint of water is close to a pound.

    Mixing sugar water at 2:1 makes the sugar crystallize in the water, I've found, it's hard for the sugar to stay in the liquid mix ( I don't heat my mix, I just use hot tap water). I mix my syrup at 5lbs sugar in a one gallon jug and fill with water to the top. That gives me about a 5:3 mix which stays mixed more readily than mixing true 2:1 syrup.
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    Default Re: 2-1 Sugar Syrup

    Sugar comes in all sorts of size bags. I've seen 1 pound, 4 pound, 5 pound, 10 pound, 20 pound, 25 pound and fifty pound. I don't see how you can say a recipe is a "bag of sugar"...

    I've never had much luck getting 2:1 to dissolve, but that may be because of the hardness of the water around here. I can get 5:3 to dissolve and not crystallize very quickly if I boil the water and then add the sugar. That's 10 pounds of sugar to 6 pints of water. Or 20 pounds of sugar to 12 pints of water.

    2:1 would be 20 pounds of sugar to 10 pints of water.

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    Wow - Beginner here ....I have been using 1 gal of sugar to 1 gallon of water for 1:1 .and 2 gallons of sugar to 1 gallon of water for 2:1 ...... Volumn. Someone please advise?

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    Your ratio is mine and my bees can't taste the difference I guess. As long as I get the water hot after mixing the two together it seems to stay in solution long enough to be gulped down right now. I also dump a 25 pound bag of sugar or three tens in two gallons of water and call that close enough. As long as you get them up in weight before it cools off too much you are fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Bush View Post
    Sugar comes in all sorts of size bags.

    2:1 would be 20 pounds of sugar to 10 pints of water.

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    Southwing, I read Mr. Bush's article here and followed it step by step, and came out with a perfect ratio of syrup today. Feed 40lb to the bees today, they took every bit of it within 12 hours.

    1 pint of water to 2lb of sugar to get a 2:1. Bring water to boil, turn heat completely off, stir while slowly adding in sugar to dissolve.

    If you purchase the common grocery store bag of sugar (ex: 4lb), then add 2 pints of water with the 4lb bag of sugar to get 2:1 ratio.

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    >I have been using 1 gal of sugar to 1 gallon of water for 1:1 .and 2 gallons of sugar to 1 gallon of water for 2:1 ...... Volumn. Someone please advise?

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    Is it REALLY that important to get the mixture exact? I doubt the bees care as long as they can take it in. I simply put ballpark amounts of sugar and hot water into a bucket, stir, let settle, wait a couple of hours, stir, and let settle. It ends up being a saturated solution and that's what the bees get. The bees haven't complained so far.

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    Easy to make it in bulk at 1 gallon at a time. Syrup will be more than a gallon but assume you start with 1 gallon of water. 16 cups in a gallon of water. So to have two to one bee feed, you need 32 cups of sugar for 16 cups of water. Buy the 50 pound bags of sugar at costco they are $20 with tax included. Heat water and add 16 cups sugar then keep adding the other so it all dissolves evenly. If you have a top hive feeder that holds a gallon each side, it's pretty easy.

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    I use one 5 lb. bag of sugar, which is about 10 cups, to 5 cups of water (and so on and so forth). I don't have trouble with it dissolving as long as I shake it well and shake it right before I pour it. I use a gallon plastic container with a cap so it's shakeable. I don't heat the water.

    It's fun to almost fill the container with dry sugar until you think - the water isn't going to fit in there! Then you pour the water in, the air bubbles escape and it dissolves, and you find you have extra room after all.

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    8 ounces of water weighs 8 ounces, and 8 ounces of sugar weighs 7.055 ounces

    So if you mix two sugar volumes to one water volume, ie 16oz sugar to 8oz water then get

    14.11oz/8oz which is 5.29:3 or 1.76:1.

    So it is a little stronger than 5:3 but not as strong as 2:1. Hence, it will be a little easier to mix and slower to crystalize.

    An easy way to mix sugar syrup to get the above mixture, is to fill a container to whatever volume you want, put a mark or note a mark on the container, add hot water to bring syrup mixture level up to the line. Result is 5.29:3 or 1.76:1.
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    By volume is the way I do it.
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    8 ounces of sugar weighs 7.055 ounces
    That must be the new math. I have no idea what most of you are talking about. I hope my bees survive if I add 10 cups of sugar to 5 cups of water. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewbeeInNH View Post
    That must be the new math. I have no idea what most of you are talking about. I hope my bees survive if I add 10 cups of sugar to 5 cups of water. LOL.
    Basic math, volumes and weights taught in junior high!

    8 fluid ounces weighs 7.055 oz weight.
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    Oh, FLUID ounces. That makes more sense.

    I don't think fluid ounces were invented when I went to junior high.

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    Fluid ounce is a measure of volume, not weight. How much a fluid ounce weighs depends on the fluid.
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    Default Re: 2-1 Sugar Syrup

    Does anybody add or has anybody experimented with adding things to the syrup? I have heard of people adding a small amount of peppermint oil, HBH, or apple cider vinegar... I guess this was to help the bees find the syrup in an in-frame feeder?
    Is this necessary, good, bad other?

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    I put some apple cider vinegar in one batch earlier in the year (for first year hives). I'd be careful doing that this time of the year because of robbing.

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