It is not true that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks.
They can learn them, they just can't do them.
Subsequent epigenetic development of the organism doesn't negate these factors. If it did there'd be no evolved behaviours leading to speciation. There'd be no point to competitive mating. Since these things are all but universal we can safely assume that the dna inherited from parents is a critical factor in determining the suitedness of offspring to environment.
As if we really need another reason.
You're trying to chuck the baby out again Peter.
The race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet
You don't know what you are talking about. You are living in a fairy tale.Given a beekeeper can also dominate the drone environment from chosen stocks
Subsequent epigenetic development of the organism doesn't negate these factors.
Epigenetics is an interesting topic, expecially when referring to the super organism that is a beehive. Problem is, most of us won't ever get a taste of the true genetics of our bees, only phenotypical observations so the whole point of this thread is moot.
Exactly my point Kosta, all we can do is assess at this point, so I don't see the point of arguing genetics vs epigenetics for 99% of people 'breeding' their own bees. Now if we were talking sequencing and marker selection I'd change my tune.
You're right JRG13."If I decide to come visit you, but the flight of the aircraft is delayed for any reason, the meeting will not take place.If I were you informed by telephone, the meeting will be a fact."Many questions can be asked in the given example.All of them meet Epigenetics and Genetics.And as Peter pointed out - genetics and epigenetics complement and explain processes invisible to us.Sequencing and markers serve experts to track and specify certain events.They are useful in my orientation to what is the nature of epigenetic factors.This, in turn, correlates with the distribution of the marks.Greetings.
I didn't mean much with that mike, just that some people think that unless you have isolated yards and a PhD you should not coin anything you're doing as breeding. I don't agree, so I highlighted it to hint at anyone making their own queens. Khosta, I agree with you, but my point is you can't argue epigenetics very well with a blank sheet of paper on the genetics of the bees you are comparing.
List is not empty JRG13.I have documentation of your selection.Excellent know who they are instrumental and naturally fertilized.And what are the parental strains.According bee genetics hereditary changes are made during meiosis."I" by the qualitative composition of the diet of the bee larva.In the second case, the leading role was given to Epigenetics.Genome information is accurate JRG13.Within an individual would not be right to show differences under different conditions.But it is a fact right?What to say when these differences create other differences?For example, within one colony.We can easily gather evidence for epigenetic influence.You only need to be observant.Ceteris paribus - What could influence and create differences?Needless to emphasize that for each genotype influence is different.Greetings.
Are behaviors solely epigenetic in a beehive? Bees use a lot of communication signalling, genetics aside that can direct hive functions. Then you have super-sister and environmental interactions as well. I understand the philosophy behind the argument, but until you show me your sequencing data showing all loci are fixed for all the genes involved in whatever traits you are looking at and that you even know those genes drive said traits, arguing about genetics and epigenetics on this subject really has no merit. I might even believe it's all epigenetics, but I'm not going to push that philosophy on minimal data. It's why beekeeping seems very locational, but without knowing any marker data, I can't say it's the genetics or epigenetics driving it.
I could be wrong JRG13, but will express my thoughts completely.In my comments no criticism or controversy.You're right about that in providing accurate data.The apiary no scientific laboratory JRG13.My research laboratory is that all these publications written by people / spend time for this / that I've read.Analyzed and consistent with my experience.
"Bees use many communication signals, genetics aside, who can guide hive functions. Then you have great sister and environmental interactions as well."
These are the reasons.The result may be different.My thought is that all of these trigger epigenetic mechanisms changing heredity.If you do not eat a permanent colony starter - grower will not have good results.If the entire amount has been genome, it is variable.If the causes can change it, how it will be expressed in an organism?Are not the epigenetic mechanisms that mediate the causes?One genotype carries a "high breeding" or not.We can change this.If everything is right in the cross, why use other methods?If this is the only philosophy, I am a philosopher, not a beekeeper.Greetings.