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    I have access to totes of sugar that are solid. They weigh a metric ton and would be cheap.

    Any ideas on how to recover the sugar for making syrup?

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    I would think a sawzall and some bolt cutters to dispense with the tote and start chipping sugar away into drums? Drums could go on a turkey fryer burner for heating

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    Sawzall to cut away the tote and maybe to start cutting up the block....... after that ???
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    Find a ditch or depression in the earth somewhere convenient, lay out some plastic to form a a bowl, and unload the block of sugar onto the plastic. Add some water and you have syrup.

    I know it sounds crazy, but check out this photo from Keith Jarrett of his "feeders" ....



    There is syrup under that straw. You don't have to leave the syrup in the plastic "bowl". Pump it into containers and transport elsewhere.

    Here is the the thread where Keith posted this:
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    Keith's Photobucket library is here:
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    One of the other photos is of a stack of sugar totes stored outside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the doc View Post
    I would think a sawzall and some bolt cutters to dispense with the tote....
    Sorry, wrong word. The sugar is in bags. Cut table with knife.

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    If you heat it it will turn into more of a paste than a block and then you might be able to scoop the gooey paste out... assuming, of course, you don't burn it...
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    Each bag weighs a metric ton?
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    I wonder if a cheap hydraulic press would just break it up into more manageable chunks? Maybe lay a large heavy sheet of metal on top and run over it with a heavy vehicle or farm equipment? Maybe a larger hammer drill or small jack hammer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Bush View Post
    If you heat it it will turn into more of a paste than a block and then you might be able to scoop the gooey paste out... assuming, of course, you don't burn it...
    That's not a bad idea....he should be able to heat it without burning it in his hot room. It depends on what the optimum temperature would be.

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    How fast do you need to use it? I would think a pickaxe or a splitting maul like you use for firewood would break off chunks that could be rendered to syrup pretty easily. Spread a plastic tarp to catch the smaller pieces.

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    My first thought was "Sledgehammer".
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    ...or send the wife to a spa for the weekend and use the swimming pool! Now _that's_ an open feeder.

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    It's said by survival gurus that one can boil water in a paper bag on an open fire, the water keeps the bag from burning. Soooooo....

    Add the appropriate amount of water to your one ton bag, place on a large fire and stand well Back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deknow View Post
    That's not a bad idea....he should be able to heat it without burning it in his hot room. It depends on what the optimum temperature would be.

    deknow
    Yeah Michael, can you get it into your ho room? Or are the doors too narrow? Got any steam? If you could elevate the ag bag over your bulk tank, do you think sticking a steam pipe into the sugar would liquify it and then it would drain into your bulk tank?

    An interesting dilemma.
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    I would use an auger to break it into pieces. Convert volume of sugar into weight of sugar (for instance, a half gallon of sugar weighs x ounces), and use the chunks accordingly while you add them to the water. You will need a fair sized reservoir for this. This may be more time efficient.
    If this sounds like a crazy idea, it's because I've never done it before. I've also never had a metric ton to deal with either. It's just what comes to the top of my head with that amount of sugar.
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    So it's a super sack on a pallet which makes for 1 big sugar cube.

    First I'd get a 12" recovery blade on a sawzall, recovery blades are tough and don't tend to break at the tang or hang up. Make a deep cut on top about 8" in from a side the full length, score a shallow cut about 10" down on the side the full length. Smack it with a sledge hammer and a manageable column should break at the score. The same technique works with masonry, it should work with sugar.

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    I would think about setting it under cover of some kind and pouring a couple gallons of cider vinegar over it. Might make the best open feeder ever. Or not.

    I'll let you try it first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edymnion View Post
    My first thought was "Sledgehammer".
    Too much work, jackhammer!
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    Whats wrong with a backhoe or front bucket and crush with tractor weight? This is more fun than actually doing the work.

    Forklift and a wall to hold the bag. Spear until done.
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    How many bags are you talking about? I wonder if you have a gravel pit near you with a crusher that could handle blocks that size
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