At what point do you think anything you have asked about or suggested makes sense or matters?
Here is an idea I'll throw out there for limiting manual labor in beekeeping. For the sake of efficiency, it may be more efficient for one person to work by themselves at most colony manipulations, such as checking hives for supers or applying medications or mite treatments.
In a 500 hive operation, Laborer A will get X amount of work done in a day. If Laborer A is accompanied by Laborer B, how much more will they get done together? Were they to split up to work seperately, would they seperately get more total work done in a day, or less?
I'll bet thoser w/ no experience will have different answers than those who have lots of experience.
Although not from a apiary view point, unless the job requires two people for heavy lifting or one to hold and item/animal, most times a lone worker produces better when they have nobody to visit with or to count on to take up the slack. Put two or more people togeather and you get alot of BS and lower production. Jim
BUT if you take a worker along you don"t have to get the gate.
Without being too specific ( I live in a small country ), the first few years of my beekeeping career was working for others. The highest producing company was relatively low tech, buying a Kelly Boom was as advanced as we got. The temptation with commercial beekeeping, is to start spending increasing amounts of time fiddling with machinery instead of working actual bees, and I worked for one place that fell into this trap. In the interests of streamlining and mechanising, the actual bee husbandry was lousy, and this was reflected in per hive productivity, and ultimately, profit. Working there was a great experience for me, at least in learning how NOT to do it.
Looking at some commercial beekeeping outfits in my country, there is some link, between higher mechanisation, and lower production. And the gap in some cases is quite high.
"Every viewpoint, is a view from a point." - Solomon Parker
there is a term for that which was coined by a cost of production analyist for a rural ag newspaper. It is called "machinery-itis". The need to have everything owned by the farm even if it is only used for one or two weeks a year...instead of renting from a neighbor or go without... Or the need to buy new all the time.
If a honey house is mobile it can be rented and moved to where it is needed, it could be a co-op. Just saying.
Usually when multiple people are doing the same job efficiency goes down but production go up. Profits go up when production goes up. Large companies are extremely inefficient but they make huge sums of money. If you can get the workforce without running out of time on the production line then you might consider yourself golden. If you are happy then you are happy. Can you expand and still pull it off?
Zone 5a, Practicing non-intervention beekeeping
The cost of a mobile extraction room should be less than a perminent facility. Usually mobile units do not come under the guidelines of local building codes.
Zone 5a, Practicing non-intervention beekeeping
Local building codes would probably be small compared to Health dept. regs for a mobile kitchen/facility, then you have D.O.T regs and a class A lic. and comm. insurance on the trailer. Jim
Bad advice. It can not be rented and moved. Just saying.
Your mobile honey house would only work cooperatively if all the cooperative members were also cooperatively working their bees. Otherwise, someone's honey will get extracted late and therefore will be tainted by darker honey. Or, it will be really cold when it is time to extract.
Where is the hot room in your portable honey house? How is it heated? Where does the extracted honey get stored? It would have to be in the middle so the trailer wouldn't fall over. Seems to me.
Seems like others flesh out your ideas for you. Clever.
what about the empty supers after extracting and the honey. more trips required. this system was used with horses before we had good transportation. to use this system is going back years of progress in beekeeping.
A portable honey house??? well lets see, a semi trailer is what 8 ft. wide and 53 ft. long that works out to be 424 sq ft. that is about the size of a 20 ft. by 21 ft. building which is kinda small for a hot room, extraction, filtering, settling and storage/bottling, not to mention the need to kinda almost level the mobile unit to get the honey to flow in the right direction. and I have seen some out yards you could not get a trailer that size close to. Jim
this thread makes me think what dad used to say. "you might better be quiet and let people think you'r stupid rather than talk and let them know you are. sure are a lot of people looking at it though.
Isn't there a system in which "fingers" go down between the frames and uncap comb and then the whole box goes into a Carousel extractor?
Didn't Tom Charnock have a set up where colonies were brought into a wearhouse w/ a screen wall on one end? The hives were dismantled, manually, the honey taken out, brood frames put into boxes and returned to the pallets, a cpl of scoops of bees taken off of the screen and a queen added to the hive and then shipped out. In the mean time the honey taken to be extracted.
Or something like that? A lovely way to work in FL, fully suited. Still can't get away from the manual labor.
Here's another idea of a way to reduce Manwell labor, don't hire any Manwells, only Juans and Carloses and Johns.