I also sent a good chunk of money to them and got the story of "worst year in thirty years" and still have no refund on russian packages! Please advise as to how to proceed, from other beeks, who had success in getting your money or bees or whatever can be salvaged Thanks
After he told me I would get a refund... um... but he said he never told me "when" I would get it. So, after a couple of months, I went to the BBB of N. Tenn and filed a complaint... did little if anything. Next step was to file a complaint with the Federal Trade Comm... Note that they are not required to do anything just adding his name to the list of bad interstate business. We are presently going through the Atty Generals office of Consumer Protection. They have a little more bite. So far the correspondance has been the same... when he gets the money, he'll send me mine. According to him, he has a "cash flow" problem. He must not have spent my money wisely.... duh. If I get the same ol same ol response from him this time.. my next course is United States Postal Service for mail fraud. He advertised in the American Bee Journal which came through the mail, took my money and never sent me my product.. constitutes mail fraud. I offered him a fair solution to this problem by letting him know that I am a small business and I can except credit cards so payment should be easy... right? Just wonder how many more he has stiffed this way. Good luck to you... hope you recover your money. I'm still fighting for mine...and fight I will. I'd start filing complaints.. maybe start with the Atty Gen. Office of Consumer Protection. I'll keep ya all posted as how things are going.
I know all about being in business... haven't taken a pay in nearly three years... everything goes back into the business and my customers do come first. We had a bad honey production year, but I didn't take orders, cash their checks and say, oops... it's been a bad year for honey, so sorry, I'll get your honey to you next spring. Between our family we probably only have about 60+ hives... mostly all ferral from bee jobs, but it's enough to keep us busy. We do have quite a few of the Russians from splits we've done. Bigest reason I wanted packages was to get some in my own bee yard, but when my brother heard who I was dealing with he just groaned. He had dealings with him the year before and played hell getting his money so finally cut a deal with the guy for some queens and some cash. Guess I'll just have to hound my brother for some queen cells this spring !
What is scaring me now is to hear about all the other people waiting for a refund, not just me. How can anyone take all this money in advance, spend it, then say there is a cash flow problem. We all have a cash flow problem in this business but you still pay your debts to stay in business. Also an offer to give me bees in the next season won't work if they go out of business. We should contact the bee journal and let them know Long Creek is commiting fraud with their advertising in the journal so no one else is added to the list.
Very sorry to hear of all of the people who got taken. It is not right what he did and he should pay out. Sounds like a road trip to me and pick up some of his (or would that be your) hives.
Check one more thing out for the state of Tennessee, and I would not be sure where to find the info at. I have heard that in TN three of his unpaid creditors can file bankrupcy for him. If that is the case he would have to list his assets and if you could get a judgement against him you could pick up some of his said assets.
I'm only an 11 hour drive from his place and my brother said "let's go... seems like a good day for a drive" He was selling 10 frame hives "full of honey" for $150.00... gee, I would take a few of those.. how come he didn't think to offer that to me... or maybe they were queenless or better yet, beeless. Good idea about the Bee Journal..just checked and they say and I quote "The publisheres cannot guarantee advertisements in this magazine, but we ask that any advertising complaints be made known to us, so we can further check the company's reliability" There is a phone number and I'm going to call them. Let you know what they say.
Back to you... Just called the American Bee Journal and they have re-instated his ad because he had taken care of the people that went to them to complain. I am a new complaint so they are going to see about pulling his ad from their magazine. What they need and this is for [B][COLOR="Red"][U][I]"everyone out there who has not been satisfied" to contact them at 1-888-922-1293 and they will see that he satisfies your complaint or they won't let him run an ad in their magazine. So bottom line is there anyone out there that has ongoing issues with Long Creek Apiaries !!!
Thanks piper, I just talked to Marta at ABJ and she had me send an e-mail with my story, and what is owed me, and she will not run his ad until our problems are addressed and taken care of. Thanks for chasing this down and finding this squeeze play. As far as other advertisers , as of yesterday they were listed in this beesource for bees for sale...I think we found a chink in the armour.Piper let me know if you make that trip and what you see... because that thought crossed my mind, to make a road trip and get at least something, although I'm up here in the pinky finger of michigan, I am not getting nothing for my money that is if this ABJ thing does'nt work.....Thanks again for making that call....
I'm dancin'... I'm dancin' Got the mail today and had a check from Long Creek Apiary in it !!! Now, we'll see if the check is good. Holding on to it until Monday before depositing.. calling the bank direct to see. Gotta run to my second job.. good luck ev1 Keep in touch !!
Oh, yea of little faith! I had informed everyone, including those here posting on this forum, that refunds will be made. Those that have not received their refunds yet will get their money. By the way, posts here had nothing to do with refunds as other people that were due money have also received their refunds. We will be waiting to see if those that have complained in other venues will be as quick to inform them that the situation has bee resolved. I certainly won't hold my breath until that happens!
Its very incouraging to here these success storys, congrats to you folks who got their refunds.... I always liked david and his conversations that I had with him. I just was getting upset with the long delay and total lack of any communication as to what the situation was and any time frame as to when to expect a refund... I hope to see mine soon... I'l let you all know.....
Thank You Beemaster01... I will be contacting the Consumer Protection folks tomorrow to let them know that our case has been resolved. I can't say that I'm sorry for doing what I thought needed to be done. I think you should really consider holding onto checks until you are ready to ship and then cash them prior to shipping.. it would make a lot of people happier that way. Communication is key to any business.. we heard a lot of folks complain about that too. Good Luck to you, sir. I also hope you understand that I won't be buying bees from you in the future.
I am looking back at the posts of pipersupply and dcross and their refunds, and the reply of beemaster01 saying all would get their refunds on 9-27-09. I have not seen a refund, or a reply, to a e-mail where I asked for at least partial timely payments. Has anyone else seen any money? I was told because of my actions in calling ABJ I must now wait till spring to get my packages...maybee..and that this was going to cause pain for many, by taking away their advertising. I'm sorry I'm not the bad guy,I sent money, that is borrowed money that I'm paying interest on,that I am rightfully entitled to. I have been very patient and understanding of David's situation,but when I get absolutely no communication to an offer, of a possible solution, my patience has run out, and yes I am going to post this for thousands to see..I'm just want to know..are you out there beemaster 01?
Sorry to hear that you did not get your refund as he told you he would. If you looked back at the posts, then you know that I went through the BBB of Eastern Tenn with a complaint, then the Federal Trade Comm. and filed a complaint with the Atty Gen. office in Tenn. My next step would have been the US Postal Service for mail fraud. I meant business. Oh, and "who" told you that because of your actions with ABJ that you would have to wait for your refund ????? I complained to them also and they were suppose to pull his ad... just too many people complaining about this guy. I'm afraid he will continue to do bad business and it just might reflect on the ABJ supporting him through advertisments. Did you talk to Marta? and what did she say.
I just know that I will not do business with him again and through word of mouth or this forum hopefully no one else will either. Good luck and let me know what you find.
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, ABJ suported me and others who contacted them, it was implied by beemaster 01 that by stopping his advertising, I (and perhaps others?) would help to put him out of business if he could not advertise. I was then told that I would not get a refund and would have to wait till spring 2010 to get bees for money...
Then you really don't need to be in business, sir. And I will make sure these people out here know about your dealings and where they can go to get the help they need to fight back.. This is a FREE COUNTRY with our RIGHT to FREE SPEECH. How dare you tell this person that because he filed a complaint that you're going to play God and not send him what he is owed. You sir make my blood boil. And sir, you will have another fight on your hands with everyone who you have screwed over. That sir is not a threat... and the threatening post of yours will be forwarded to the American Bee Journal and that is a "promise" sir.