Election 2009: Hope and Change....

[JPK]

Do you REALLY think that a couple of Radio Ads account for the defeat of the Gay Marriage referendum by fully 6% of voters?

I listen to Maine radio all the time and I may have heard one or two ads in the month prior to the vote.

It sounds like a lot of crying over spilled milk IMHO

[HVH]

Originally Posted by CentralPAguy

I don't see the GOP becoming a major political force for quite some time until it rebuilds itself with more inclusivity.

The Republican party is not even able to get the youth in sizable numbers to replace members who have died. They have taken position after position against the various minorities, which caused the minorities to join forces among the Democrats. Individually, the minorities are not able to overcome the Republicans, but when combined it is a different story.

I expect the pendulum of weakness for the Republican party to last 15 to 20 years until new leadership takes over. .

I wouldn't count those eggs yet. The republican party lost big because they turned out to be lying sacks in addition to the war and the normal eight year fatigue. They turned their backs on their base and lost big. People have short memories and a true conservative could reverse the losses. At this point in history the republicans best friends are Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. If the blue dogs were in charge I think democrats might be able to hold on to power but the three mentioned before are likely to hand power back to the right. IMO the votes for socialized medicine will be very telling. If we see a voting shift from vulnerable democrats this will be an indication that they see the recent republican wins as serious. If this happens Obama will be a lame duck.

[CentralPAguy]

Originally Posted by HVH

I wouldn't count those eggs yet. At this point in history the republicans best friends are Pelosi, Reid, and Obama.

I have no idea what happened to my previous post -- it is as if someone deleted it.

Nonetheless, I am reposting my comments.

Time will tell whether the republican party will get back into power. Personally, I believe that they imploded because they were not centrist enough. I agree that Pelosi and Reid are the republicans best friends for recruitments, but not so for Obama.

[dragonfly]

Originally Posted by CentralPAguy

I have no idea what happened to my previous post -- it is as if someone deleted it.

Nonetheless, I am reposting my comments.

I didn't delete any posts. I'm not aware that Barry did either. Is it post#28 that you are thinking about?

[FishmanMike]

I think you are seeing the begining of americans waking up.Oboma made all kinds of prommises to get elected and has kept none of them. You are seeing the begining of a mass exadous from the socalist party if oboma doesn't turn into a dictator first

[Nabber86]

Originally Posted by walking bird

Interestingly, the Maine folks who were pushing the repeal hired the same PR firm as the Californians who were pushing the repeal. Thus, the identical tactics: "Teachers will be forced to teach homosexuality in school."

Who was it that said if you're gonna lie, lie BIG, because those are the lies that you can get people to believe.

Or maybe nobody said that. Maybe I just made it up. I dunno, it's late.

It may be a lie now, but considering Arne Duncan as education czar and the "Safe Schools" program, there could easily be some truth to that soon............

[HVH]

Originally Posted by CentralPAguy

Time will tell whether the republican party will get back into power. Personally, I believe that they imploded because they were not centrist enough. I agree that Pelosi and Reid are the republicans best friends for recruitments, but not so for Obama.

I hope you are wrong. I was so glad to see Arlen Specter leave the party. Now I hope Linsey Graham, Snow, Collins and Hegal will leave. I am not a pragmatist. I would prefer to lose than to compromise.
My gut tells me that the republican base might get out and vote because of Obama and the independents, that were fooled by Obama, will join the republicans. If this happens in 2010 we may be able to repair some of the damage the left has done. I am not unrealistic, however, the pendulum will swing back and forth but it will continue to shift towards the left over time. We will probably look more like Europe before our fall. Hedonism will define our future and we will slowly see our great heritage lost in the winds of progress. Many will embrace the changes and never see the costs.

What does a military conflict with Iran portend. Our economy has been crippled already by our elected officials, hyper-inflation is on the horizon, and a war with Iran is looking more probable. If you mix a high standard of living in with a recession, hyper-inflation, and a shortage of oil, what do you get? Maybe we will be spared this scenario, but anything close will be the ruin of Obama. Add to this equation, unemployment levels around 10%, and a spending plan that doesn't provide jobs, and we have an election backlash in the making. It is very possible that I am giving voters too much credit but I can hope they can put the pieces together.

[Scrapfe]

Originally Posted by magnet-man

...A moderate incumbent Republican isn't good enough for them...

My PC been down.
Whoa now, hold on, who pray tell was the "moderate" ... "incumbent" Republican in NY-23?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/

mod-er-ate (mdr-t) adj…Of limited or average quality; mediocre.
No wonder Dede Scozzafava lost, she was of limited, or average quality, and MEDIOCRE. Guess what the process is working, the people in NY23 wind rowed out the chaff from the grain and Bebe was left behind in the dust.

in-cum-bent (n-kmbnt) adj....Currently holding a specified office...

None of the three candidates running were (n-kmbnt's). That is why it’s called an OFF YEAR ELECTION. If there were an (n-kmbnt) there would have not been an election. No disrespect to you, but is it unconstitutional now for an otherwise qualified American citizen to seek elective office unless he or she professes some pre-determined number of politically correct left wing opinions? Also when did the Democrat and Republican parties repeal the First Amendment guarantee of free speech, assembly, and association?

The election results in NY-23 is imho, more a repudiation of cigar sucking party hacks hand crafting designer candidates from a Chinese menu of left wing political beliefs to arrive at a manufactored canidate. Heck, compared to the Republican candidate, Owens, the Democrat in New York 23 IS a conservative.

Now the final count has tightened. Owens may well have lost the race and he has already had himself swore in.