Global Warming Hoax, The UN and your future

[Bodo]

Originally Posted by BoBn

I don't know if this is happening or not. What I do know is that the CO2 levels are higher than they have been for the past 100,000 years or so.

I don't see an easy answer.

So, is CO2 a problem then? If it's not, why is it the only thing we're hearing about?

There is no easy answer. But we're being lead to believe that the answer is indeed simple.

[JPK]

Bobn and JBG, take a gander at this

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/im...rt_july_09.pdf

Its a 20 year study that essentially quantifies the fact that the heat applied to the earth and the heat given off by the earth have maintained a steady relationship thus decimating the notion that the earth as a whole is warming.

Looks like someone pulled the co2 blanket off Al Gore......

[JPK]

Originally Posted by drobbins

JPK

When the validity of information in a wikipedia article is in question it is useful to follow the references linked at the bottom of the article.
Are these folks part of the global conspiracy too?

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/insitu.html

Dave

Dave, you're still quoting Wikipedia?

Can we please revisit the post I made about measuring C02 concentrations from on top of an active volcano responsible for more c02 emmisions than man has ever generated?

Maybe we can hit on the credibility bit by trying to measure anything from a single point on the earth?

Sorry Dave but you're going to have to come up with more than corrected data from on top of a volcano to support your position.

[heaflaw]

I think we should give up some of our soviernty to the UN. We would all be worse off if the individual states of the US had not given up much of theirs. A strong UN would help to deconcentrate power from each country: more seperation of power is a good thing.

Can't wait to read the replies to this.

[Scrapfe]

Originally Posted by walking bird

...Who is trying to "undermine (my) freedom to choose where (I) live?"...

Try building in a stand of old growth redwood trees and see how the environmentalist react. Try ranching in an area where gray wolves have been re-introduced. Try moving in a single wide mobile home next door to a McMansion.

Originally Posted by walking bird

...I guess there's always anarchy ...we need... order... I...don't believe that there is a mass conspiracy...to create a[n] ...environmental crisis.

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Do you mean “order” like not smoking dope "order" or “order” like executing child molesters "order"? Both doping and child sexual exploitation are against the law or highly restricted, but I do seem to remember you endorsing drugs yet opposing the execution of molesters! My question is, are you only indorsing the "order" you approve of and reject everyone elses' "order"? What’s going on with acid rain these days? I haven’t heard much about it since they discovered acid rain isn’t killing the Great Smoky Mountains National Park’s trees. What happened? Did Mother Nature chew a Toms?

Originally Posted by walking bird

...unless smog is not caused by man...

Smog is caused by man, natural decay, and temperature inversions, , exacerbated by geography. A famous 19th. Century American named William Henry Dana Jr. wrote a travel log called TWO YEARS BEFORE the MAST. This book is about Dana’s first voyage to California in 1834-36. Dana sailed as an able bodied seaman aboard the hide trading brig Pilgrim, out of Boston. At the time Los Angelis, Ca. was a mission town of 1,000 souls in the sleepy backwater Mexican Province of California. When the 19 year old Dana first visited California, the first coal fired electric generation plant was fifty years away; the first oil well ever drilled was 2 decades in the future; and automobile tycoon, Henry Ford would not be born for 11 years. Sounds a lot like the future the environmentalist among us want to return to. But what did young Dana find when he landed in Los Angelis? Believe it or not WB, Master Dana found enough smog already hanging in the air that he wrote about it. The more things change the more they remain the same. Look at the map and find Dana Point; it is named in honor of W. H. D. Jr. one of the first Americans to rappel from it.
http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/wor...4408&pageno=10
I do believe you can down load Dana's book free at the above link.

I went from a believer, to a doubter, to a cynic on Global Warming alias Climate Change. The more I hear about it now, the surer I become. Remember, we live in an information economy, and information (aka opinions) is all the Global Warming cartel is selling, let the buyer beware. Opinions are like navels, we all are born with one. Global Warming alias Climate Change is golden on the outside (at least for the scientist hawking it) but once you scratch the surface imho you’ll find a lead hoax that that would make Billy May blush.

[walking bird]

From Iron Man: "Do you mean “order” like not smoking dope "order" or “order” like executing child molesters "order"? Both doping and child sexual exploitation are against the law or highly restricted, but I do seem to remember you endorsing drugs yet opposing the execution of molesters! My question is, are you only indorsing the "order" you approve of and reject everyone elses' "order"?"

Whoa! Let's take a breath and clear the cobwebs from the memory banks, friend. (Of course, iron rusts, so maybe that's the problem?) Actually, in a variety of different posts, I have come out in favor of a much more widespread application of the death penalty. Child molesters, being heavy recidivists and typically beyond rehabilitation, would be excellent candidates. In fact, I believe there are way too many humans on this planet, and I'm always looking for good reasons to trim down. So, you've got that one wrong... and beware, I may also be in favor of including anyone whose mind is going and/or memory is fading...

You are right, however, about the drugs. (So I will spare you) Since the illegal ones are no more dangerous than the legal ones, and in at least one case far less so, I just can't see the logic in how we determine which ones are "bad" and which ones are "good." It's all in how you use them.

I am also a firm believer in law and order. I just like laws that make sense. And we all have our opinions about which ones qualify--- thus, I'm sure there are plenty of laws you "endorse" and others you don't. I don't think I'm unique in that regard.

Now... we can get back to global warming, and the massive hoax that, for some reason, is being perpetrated in spite of the efforts of the most powerful, insidious, multi-national, murderous industry on the planet.

I'm looking for motive, folks. What's the motive of the masterminds behind the so-called hoax? Al Gore trying to be a movie star and get babes? The UN trying to take over the US? Greenies trying to get rich on solar power and electric engines? Seriously, what's the agenda that could motivate such a massive conspiracy?

Oh wait, I can't leave without commenting on the "natural smog" Scrapfe mentionss. I live in L.A. Always have. We practically invented smog. And when I was a kid, it was absolutely horrible--- there were days at school we literally were not allowed to go outside. The strict California regulation of emissions has made a huge difference over the years. I live here, I see it. Don't tell me the Chumash were living in the kind of smog I experienced in my youth, or the cliff-diving Mr. Dana couldn't see the ocean below due to the haze. Seeing is believing, and I've seen the change.

[Scrapfe]

Dear Fellow Posters:

Sometime ago someone on here challenged me to explain how I know that I know that Global Warming is false. I will freely admit to you I cannot prove Global Warming is not man made, if you will freely admit to me, that you cannot prove Global Warming is man made. That lack of cause and effect is the true beauty of the issue as adopted by Al Gore.

However, I have seen (as you have seen) government initiatives come, and government initiatives go. These initiatives all warned us of evil forces or challenges conspiring to destroy America and our way of life. In the case of global warming we are warned daily that the firmaments will soon disappear, covered by a rising tide of melt water unless we cede unlimited new powers and unimaginable wealth to our all knowing minders in Washington. Its easy folks, try it now, come on you can do it, just admit that the predictors of environmental doom and gloom are acting in the long standing and honored traditions of American governance like: McCarthyism; the yellow peril; anti-Semitism; racism; the Hun; moral collapse; poverty; gross military inferiority; gross military superiority; white slavery; pornography; disarmament; rearmament; big business; unionism; Francophobe; the War on Drugs;…the menu of dangers and challenges we have available to pick and chose from is endless, and so is the list of guilty politicians cooking up the dishes.

To gain power and hold on to it, politicians need issues. Issues like class envy; jingoism; red baiting; social justice; the missile gap; political correctness; segregation; false promises of peace; nativeism; free immigration; the war dividend; tax cuts; and oh yes, Global Warming. See folks, I told you the menu was endless.

When or if the current occupant starts padding his résumé by negotiating foreign treaties of connivance or connivance, as I suspect Obama will do at the United Nations Climate Conference next month in Copenhagen, then you too may also realize that “… Something is rotten in the State of Denmark...”

My next revelation will debunk the argument; “Data recorded at sea during the past 200 years proves the world’s oceans are warming”

[JPK]

Originally Posted by walking bird

Now... we can get back to global warming, and the massive hoax that, for some reason, is being perpetrated in spite of the efforts of the most powerful, insidious, multi-national, murderous industry on the planet.

I'm looking for motive, folks. What's the motive of the masterminds behind the so-called hoax? Al Gore trying to be a movie star and get babes? The UN trying to take over the US? Greenies trying to get rich on solar power and electric engines? Seriously, what's the agenda that could motivate such a massive conspiracy?

In a word....its about Power.

This is to be contrasted with Liberty and Freedom.

The distinction is the consolidation of Power in the Few (Oligarchy) vs Power being distributed in the Individual.

[Oldbee]

Take some time to read this,... http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/reviews...6.1lifset.html that you will be,..........."informed" and not just,....."flabergasted" by some conservative/republican,..........balderdash: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/balderdash bunk,..'twiddle, poppycock,...etc.

[dragonfly]

Originally Posted by Scrapfe

To gain power and hold on to it, politicians need issues. Issues like class envy; jingoism; red baiting; social justice; the missile gap; political correctness; segregation; false promises of peace; nativeism; free immigration; the war dividend; tax cuts; and oh yes, Global Warming. See folks, I told you the menu was endless.

Amen brother.