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  1. #541
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    Default Re: Treatment free at all costs - the chronicle of a beekeeper from South Germany

    My new hive was warm ways, which I changed yesterday to cold ways.

    I installed a shallow at the bottoms of the carni- elgon hives to make them build drone comb and have some space to cluster if they are crowded. The next warm spell they will need a super on top.

    The closed bottom floors are to their advantage. It seems itīs easier for them to climate.
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    Default Re: Treatment free at all costs - the chronicle of a beekeeper from South Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    Reading Squarepegs post has given me a thought why some TF bees may work in some areas but not others.

    During times with no brood, mite mortality can be high. A demonstration of that could be from SP's mite counts he has said elsewhere that fall mite counts can be as high as 15%, but by spring he finds almost no mites in the hives.

    So to my theory. SP's bees have a brood break winter, and mid summer. But after the summer break the mites are able to build up to quite a high level by fall. However this is dealt with during the broodless winter.

    In other areas, bees don't have brood breaks. So if TF bees that "work", because mites are sorted during broodless periods, are sent to an area with not brood break, that could destroy the method they use to get rid of mites.

    That's all theory of course, I have not done the experiment. But it might be part of the reason a bee will work in one area but not another. And it could be yet another reason why Italians don't work so well, they like raising brood at any opportunity.
    Had the same thoughts today when I looked at my new hive. There was a pulled out damaged pupae on the entrance board and I found a wax moth larvae on the varroa board.

    My own survivors had a long brood brake this winter and there are no virus effects seen at the moment. And: I tried to breed wax moth for a bait hive at my home in a dadant box, but no wax moth so far. Too cold at night.

    The new bees come from bavaria where it is colder and the winter longer. Still they are infested and have wax moths. Why? Because they were kept in a bee house. Warm overwintering.
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    Default Re: Treatment free at all costs - the chronicle of a beekeeper from South Germany

    What you going to do about that?
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    Default Re: Treatment free at all costs - the chronicle of a beekeeper from South Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    What you going to do about that?
    Iīm trusting the bees to know what to do.
    My friend, where they come from, has no high losses. He sees wax moths and DWV every year in his hives since 2012. He sees DWV in his treated hives, too.

    I hope with time and distributing many drones I will always have some survivors. Maybe the pulled out pupae is a sign of VSH.

    My place is colder and I have no bee house. Iīm not using insulation except on top.

    My interest lies in watching and learning. This will need some years and maybe some new starts.
    Itīs fascinating to me. In the end what counts for me is to realize and take note which practical methods and arrangements are working and which not.

    What I see in my environment is that established beekeeping methods donīt work without treatments. So I have to experiment because nobody can tell me which methods will work. And what combinations of methods.
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    Default Re: Treatment free at all costs - the chronicle of a beekeeper from South Germany

    Nature selects for sure.

    Winter is here again, snow on the snowy blossoms....

    18.4.2017 Schnee.jpg
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    Default Re: Treatment free at all costs - the chronicle of a beekeeper from South Germany

    Very nice!

    That is your house behind? Typical German house with high roof for getting rid of the snow!
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    Default Re: Treatment free at all costs - the chronicle of a beekeeper from South Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    Very nice!

    That is your house behind? Typical German house with high roof for getting rid of the snow!
    No, itīs the neighbors. I was standing on our balcony to do the picture. This is ours where we live with my in laws.

    MF 2016.jpg
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    Default Re: Treatment free at all costs - the chronicle of a beekeeper from South Germany

    Very pretty.

    Looks like a beekeepers garden .
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    Default Re: Treatment free at all costs - the chronicle of a beekeeper from South Germany

    No flow, no pollination, no fruit.

    http://www.suedkurier.de/region/Frie...59606,11461208
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    All colonies survived the ordeal and are going for pollen and nectar like crazy.

    The dandelions are not frozen, some late blooming apple trees are still used.

    I prepared my " dummy" breeding frames to introduce into the brood nests. Itīs to experiment with the technique mostly since I believe the survivors are "good bees" all and I`m no queen breeder yet.
    Tomorrow I will remove the bottom wires.

    Zuchtrahmen.jpg

    My new hive breeds wax moths between varroa mesh and varroa board. This kind of floor is a big mess because the bees are not able to reach the wax moths and with open floors will not use the whole frames for breeding.
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    Default Re: Treatment free at all costs - the chronicle of a beekeeper from South Germany

    Why remove the wires?
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