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    Did a split near the end of July. All went well, they made their queen. She got mated, and she is huge, the largest I have. Anyway she started laying, and she is a laying machine. They started in a five frame nuc. My plan was to try to overwinter them in the nuc. Last week I added another box on top with all foundationless, and have been feeding. They have drawn all but one completely out, and the last one they are about thirty percent done. She has laid in all of them. There is only on frame in the entire hive that has capped stores. The rest are eggs and brood in different stages. So how should I manage this hive. Should I put them in a ten frame and add another deep or just add another five frame on top. The golden rod is just starting to bloom here.

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    Either way could work. How strong do you expect the golden rod flow to be? Answering that may give you insight as to which way to do it.
    “When one tugs at a single thing in nature, he finds it attached to the rest of the world.” – John Muir

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    To each his own but I usually put them into a ten frame deep and go from there.

    I believe you've found what a lot of us have found. Home grown queens born after the summer solstice are unbelievable.

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    After some thought, I guess I will just add another five frame box. If they get too crowded, I can always then move them into ten frame boxes.

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    I would leave them in their nuc box configuration. If you add a third story, will they draw out the comb? I wonder. Perhaps you should allow them to finish what they have, and feed them as necessary next month.

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    I would leave them in their nuc also and taper off feeding. It sounds like they have no natural forage stored. I think it is a disadvantage to try to winter on sugar water. They might miss what goldenrod there is if you keep feeding.
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    Thanks guys. I should have stated that I have not been feeding for about four days. Once I saw that the golden rod was about to bloom I stopped feeding. I believe what I was feeding they used to draw comb, what is capped looks like honey, very dark. Mr. Palmer, with the amount of brood and eggs laid, do you not think I should add a box for them to try to store?

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    Well, I don't know your area, and I don't know how fast they will draw foundationless comb. If they will draw it right off, and store feed in it, then I would say do it, if you are afraid they might swarm or abscond.

    There are folks that run nucleus colonies in MD and VA. Why not ask them what they would do. Winevines on this list would answer you.

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    5 over5 over5 medium nucs winter very well in Delaware...,,,,,,,,, Pete

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    If a third box was not desired, could he pull a frame from each box and donate to another hive, filling in with empty frames?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    I think it is a disadvantage to try to winter on sugar water.
    No, it isn't.
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    The third box is to store enough feed til March. I have wintered on 2 boxes with an inch of sugar on top, they ate that and had to give them sugar bricks. So 3 boxes is what I go with. Mini mating nucs will get 3 also....,,,, Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    No, it isn't.
    I think it is and I am not alone.
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    You've had issues with sugar syrup Ace?

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    what's a good fall goal for these nucs? a 5 over 5 nuc with 50% stores? (i'm asking for myself, not the OP.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpgreer View Post
    what's a good fall goal for these nucs? a 5 over 5 nuc with 50% stores? (i'm asking for myself, not the OP.)
    I just asked that question today of a local beek in regards to nucs in this area. He shoots for 5x5x5, and is ready to feed fondant if necessary, especially if they don't fill the third box.
    Newbee with three hives and two nucs, zone 6b

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpgreer View Post
    what's a good fall goal for these nucs? a 5 over 5 nuc with 50% stores? (i'm asking for myself, not the OP.)
    Top box full, bottom box...outside two combs fullish, inside three combs maybe 1/2

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    When does a nuc consume most of it's stores? Brooding up in the spring or eating up in the winter to keep warm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    I think it is and I am not alone.
    You just might be, amongst those who know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    When does a nuc consume most of it's stores? Brooding up in the spring or eating up in the winter to keep warm?
    Spring

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