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    Default Re: Our understanding of genetics is changing

    Quote Originally Posted by peterloringborst View Post
    Not even half.
    But those influences are relatively stable within an individual's program. In order for a species to thrive within a fluctuating environment, those influences also must be somewhat self regulating.

    But your point is not really about a percentage.
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    Default Re: Our understanding of genetics is changing

    Quote Originally Posted by peterloringborst View Post
    Not even half.
    Given a beekeeper can also dominate the drone environment from chosen stocks, considerably more than half the dna going forward can be controlled in a largish and relatively isolated outfit.

    Subsequent epigenetic development of the organism doesn't negate these factors. If it did there'd be no evolved behaviours leading to speciation. There'd be no point to competitive mating. Since these things are all but universal we can safely assume that the dna inherited from parents is a critical factor in determining the suitedness of offspring to environment.

    As if we really need another reason.

    You're trying to chuck the baby out again Peter.

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    Default Re: Our understanding of genetics is changing

    Given a beekeeper can also dominate the drone environment from chosen stocks
    Subsequent epigenetic development of the organism doesn't negate these factors.
    You don't know what you are talking about. You are living in a fairy tale.

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    Default Re: Our understanding of genetics is changing

    Quote Originally Posted by peterloringborst View Post
    You don't know what you are talking about. You are living in a fairy tale.
    An intelligent, well reasoned critique. Not ad hominem or content free at all. Well done, you'll make a scientist yet.
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    Default Re: Our understanding of genetics is changing

    Quote Originally Posted by mike bispham View Post
    An intelligent, well reasoned critique. Not ad hominem or content free at all.
    Mike, if you want to know how well the knowledge of Peter, why do not you ask him?

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    Default Re: Our understanding of genetics is changing

    Epigenetics is an interesting topic, expecially when referring to the super organism that is a beehive. Problem is, most of us won't ever get a taste of the true genetics of our bees, only phenotypical observations so the whole point of this thread is moot.

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    Default Re: Our understanding of genetics is changing

    Quote Originally Posted by JRG13 View Post
    Problem is, most of us won't ever get a taste of the true genetics of our bees, only phenotypical observations so the whole point of this thread is moot.

    Perhaps JRG13.But some of us deeper into crosses.If you start from one strain, the picture is quite clear.As long as you have knowledge in bee genetics.Epigenetic factors are those that allow changes in the normal distribution of marks.They are not visible.They assess.

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    Default Re: Our understanding of genetics is changing

    Exactly my point Kosta, all we can do is assess at this point, so I don't see the point of arguing genetics vs epigenetics for 99% of people 'breeding' their own bees. Now if we were talking sequencing and marker selection I'd change my tune.

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    Default Re: Our understanding of genetics is changing

    You're right JRG13."If I decide to come visit you, but the flight of the aircraft is delayed for any reason, the meeting will not take place.If I were you informed by telephone, the meeting will be a fact."Many questions can be asked in the given example.All of them meet Epigenetics and Genetics.And as Peter pointed out - genetics and epigenetics complement and explain processes invisible to us.Sequencing and markers serve experts to track and specify certain events.They are useful in my orientation to what is the nature of epigenetic factors.This, in turn, correlates with the distribution of the marks.Greetings.

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