I don't wish AHB upon you, Brian. But it would be nice if you tried what you propose one of these days.
Note that Mbeck is a Florida resident.586.025 Unlawful acts.—It shall be unlawful to:
(1) Introduce into this state any honeybee pest or an unwanted race of honeybees, except under special permit issued by the department, which shall be the sole issuing agency for such special permits.
(2) Use the terms “certified honey,” “certified,” “registered,” or “inspected” or any other term to convey or imply to the purchaser that the honey is certified honey, unless the honey has been certified by the department.
(3) Label, represent, advertise, or offer honey for sale unless it meets the definition provided in this chapter.
(4) Knowingly sell, offer for sale, or distribute any honeybee, any unwanted race of honeybee, or any regulated article infested or infected with any honeybee pest declared by rule of the department to be a nuisance or threat to the state’s apiary industry.
Article 5 is quite interesting ...Ace, are you willing to do jail time for concealing evidence?(5) Knowingly conceal, or willfully withhold information regarding, honeybees, honeybee pests, unwanted races of honeybees, or regulated articles from the department.
Maybe you could get adjoining cells and swap bee stories!
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USDA Zone 7A Elevation 1400 ft
Key word there is knowingly, if he doesn't send them off to be tested then how will he know ? Do they require samples of all colonies to be sent off before selling in florida?
Well, lets see - Beesource is a public forum, and member AmericasBeekeeper is a State of Florida Apiary inspector. A supervisor even, if I am not mistaken. This thread is a good start on showing that the acts that Ace is promoting as "nothing wrong" were [about to be] committed "knowingly".
USDA Zone 7A Elevation 1400 ft
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I have loftier goals than mating Queens to head hive "that won't tear you a new one". I would have pinched her without the BMP guidelines or even if I lived in a different state. She just doesn't fit into my plan. I don't have the equipment to waste on an unknown and I'm not that curious.
I'll make an exception and sell her to Ace if it's legal.
I'll include free shipping for $50.00 I'll even throw in the jar full of alcohol she's in.
I know nothing of AHB but...would not the swarm and the Queen itself be nasty if they were of that breeding? Would not the drones from the swarm be able to pass on genes?
Janne....first hives April 2013, 19 hives, treat, plant zone 8b, at sea level, latitude 49.13, longitude 123.06
Do we just kill things because of fear? Oh yeah that is right we are humans. We kill our own kind based on fear alone.
Zone 5a, Practicing non-intervention beekeeping
If someone doesn't like him killing the queen, why not offer him the market price for a mated queen? I have a sneaking suspicion he would rather put a $20 bill in his billfold than pinch a possible good laying queen for nothing.
A man is worth just as much as the things about which he busies himself- Marcus Aurelius
Brian, no one is killing queens found in swarms in FL purely and only because of fear. There is good solid evidence and experience that swarms of unknown origin, in FL, are as likely as not to have come from AHB colonies or derivitives thereof. Do you want AHBs in your hives? Really? Then, should you end up w/ some, how will you rid yourself of them? Sell them to someone else?
My only thought is, how many (what percentage) of swarms are man-caught? I have to believe it's a very very small amount. Seems unlikely to really make much of a difference. I could see not wanting someone to keep an unknown queen "downtown", but other than that...
I bought 2 nucs brought up from Florida that were very aggressive. Not fun at all to work and really downright scary. I don't blame this beek for being cautious. I ended up requeening and losing precious time for brood rearing.
Doesn't PatBeek collect Ferrell bees in florida and put them in hives in his back yard? http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...ghtmare-at-end I haven't seen him really post anything about any problems. Is he not in a AHB area of Florida or do the range the entire state?
From the way it's explained to us in the bee club and have heard it conf'd by state apiary inspectors....NORTH of I4 Hwy....pretty safe from AHB...south of I4 is questionable.
If a hive were TOO aggressive than yeah...I'd requeen...dont wanna deal with that.
I've seen mine pissy!! but I blame that on the timing of the inspection, my fumbling thru the hive, and summer dearth.
Since, they've settled down. Watched em this morning for a few mins. They were busy as all git-out flying in-n-out and the sun was hardly even up. They're working something.