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  1. #1
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    Default Funny looking Queen

    Actually beatiful, she came with a swarm that landed in my yard about a week ago.
    I thought one of my Nuc's swarmed, now that I've got a look at her I doubt it.

    Swarm Queen

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    Shame she's going to get pinched.

    This is what the average Queen in this yard looks like.

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    2 questions .... Was she marked when she arived, and why do you plan to pinch her ?

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    I don't think the carni mutt will mix too well with the cordovan.
    Where can I get some of those Cordovan queens? And are they the
    lighter or dark eyes Cordo queens?
    Gratefulness is the key to a happy lifeIf we are not grateful then we will not be happy since we always want something +

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    Hey!! How did you get my queen?!

    No, just kidding. Both look nice to me, Matt.
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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by beepro View Post
    I don't think the carni mutt will mix too well with the cordovan.
    Where can I get some of those Cordovan queens? And are they the
    lighter or dark eyes Cordo queens?

    I figured that was the reason.

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    Shame you're going to pinch her.

    Was she marked when you trapped/captured them, Mbeck?

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    No she wasn't marked, I was going thru marking newly returned queens. The recommended Florida Best Management Practices is to requeen all swarms. I'm not interested in queens from an unknown source.

    As a production queen my guess is she would work as well as anything.

    Light eyes or dark eyes? I have varying degrees but most show a brownish hue where other bees are black.
    Same Queen before marking.

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Mbeck View Post
    Shame she's going to get pinched.
    I would love to know your reasoning on this one. Is she not performing? I would leave her if she's doing her job.

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    She is of unknown origin in a State which has AHB, so the State recommendation is to requeen swarms of unknown origin, just in case. Seems wise to me.
    Mark Berninghausen #youmatter

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Seems wise to me.

    Me too. I'd do exactly the same.
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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    Africanized colonies found here in NY were put down just a couple weeks ago. Nucs that came up from FL were found to be highly aggressive and unworkable after being installed into full size hives.
    Mark Berninghausen #youmatter

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    It's amazing how hard she was to find, my eyes are not at all used to finding such a dark queen. I have standard Italian queens but nothing this dark.
    I marked her just for fun and so she's easy too find. I'll pinch her as I pull my other mated queen once my cells are ready to place.

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    http://www.freshfromflorida.com/cont...92/bmp_ehb.doc

    I'm sure some will not agree but it fits my goals.

    A Queen of unknown origin has no value to me. She is taking up space that I could use to raise queens to sell or assess for drone stock etc. I don't believe that the holy grail of feral (not sure I believe in ferals) genetics will chose my yard to land in or I'd recognize them if they did.

    Survivor stock comes from queens that avoid my hive tool

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by beepro View Post
    I don't think the carni mutt will mix too well with the cordovan.
    Queens don't mate with each other.

    I wonder why a business person wouldn't sell what he doesn't want instead of killing what he doesn't want?
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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Mbeck View Post
    It's amazing how hard she was to find, my eyes are not at all used to finding such a dark queen. I have standard Italian queens but nothing this dark.
    I marked her just for fun and so she's easy too find. I'll pinch her as I pull my other mated queen once my cells are ready to place.
    Try finding these ladies (a couple of ours):

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    Queens don't mate with each other.

    I wonder why a business person wouldn't sell what he doesn't want instead of killing what he doesn't want?
    Imagine selling a queen of unknown origin in a state where they specifically tell you to kill swarm queens and re queen . If it turns out AHB and hurts someone or something I would think there might be liability or at least a guilty conscience
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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    I wonder why a business person wouldn't sell what he doesn't want instead of killing what he doesn't want?
    Well, Brian, I don't know if that was why someone shipped what appeared to be AHB nucs to NY or not, but knowing that someone did, would you buy nucs from that person if you knew who they were? They should have known what they were shipping.
    Mark Berninghausen #youmatter

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    [QUOTE=jwcarlson;1142508]Try finding these ladies (a couple of ours):

    I'd have a hard time.
    They look like nice ones though.

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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkster View Post
    Imagine selling a queen of unknown origin in a state where they specifically tell you to kill swarm queens and re queen . If it turns out AHB and hurts someone or something I would think there might be liability or at least a guilty conscience
    Wah, wah, wah, stop being a baby. There is nothing wrong with selling something to someone if you are honest about what you are selling. Just because a queen is dark doesn't mean it will exhibit AFB characteristics. Some people buy rattle snakes and some people kill rattle snakes.
    Come to think of it maybe a couple of killer bee hives is what I need to take care of the $hIt heads that trespass on our land and think they own it. I got a suit, I am sure they don't.
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Funny looking Queen

    Ha ha ace, one of the local guys here got an AHB queen on accident and he loved her for that very reason, but the inspector said no and snuffed the hive

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