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  1. #1
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    Default Reverse Split Advice

    I am planning on making a reverse split (taking the queen rather than leaving her) this week with my carniolan hive. They have been doing really well and I'm hoping to gain a new hive as well as break the varroa cycle. I am planning on taking her majesty along with 2 or 3 frames of capped brood, a honey frame and a pollen frame or two. Then let the main hive raise a new queen.

    For those that make reverse splits, is there a point in putting the frames in a 5 frame Nuc? Shouldn't I just add them to a new 8 or 10 frame deep and add new frames for them to draw (while feeding)?

    I'm curious to see what some of you do for these kinds of splits.

    -bk79

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    Default Re: Reverse Split Advice

    I used a five frame nuc, let the population build up, then moved to a 10-frame. That allowed them to fend off robbing, patrol for pests, keep brood warm. Then, with more bees, more comb could be drawn in a 10-frame when foundation was added. This worked well for me, and took a total of 4 weeks during a flow.
    Pete. New 2013, 7 hives, zone 6a
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    Default Re: Reverse Split Advice

    I use a nuc then after it builds I ad another nuc box on top that till it's 3 high then I put them in a DBL. deep works great and they seem to build faster in a nuc tower { as I like to call it} I like working my nucs .
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    Default Re: Reverse Split Advice

    >I am planning on making a reverse split (taking the queen rather than leaving her)

    I think that is a regular split... leaving her would be backwards...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Reverse Split Advice

    You ever feel like you're playing Jenga?

    Quote Originally Posted by GLOCK View Post
    I use a nuc then after it builds I ad another nuc box on top that till it's 3 high then I put them in a DBL. deep works great and they seem to build faster in a nuc tower { as I like to call it} I like working my nucs .

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    Default Re: Reverse Split Advice

    When I take the queen and 5 frames, I am planning on replacing them with foundationless frames (checkerboarded).

    Should I feed the hive while they are drawing on them? There is no flow right now but they are bringing in some nectar and pollen.

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    Default Re: Reverse Split Advice

    To me there is either a flow or a dearth. Maybe not the main flow, but a flow. If there is a dearth feeding should be done very carefully as it often sets off robbing, brings ants, etc. If there is not a dearth I wouldn't feed them...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Reverse Split Advice

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Bush View Post
    To me there is either a flow or a dearth. Maybe not the main flow, but a flow. If there is a dearth feeding should be done very carefully as it often sets off robbing, brings ants, etc. If there is not a dearth I wouldn't feed them...
    So unless nothing is blooming, don't feed? Will they be able to draw wax with so little coming in?

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    Default Re: Reverse Split Advice

    >Will they be able to draw wax with so little coming in?

    What is "so little"? If the bees are testy and robbing each other, there is a dearth and they will not draw any comb. If the bees are busy gathering nectar and pollen and don't have time to harass each other, then there is nectar available. It's pretty much one or the other... maybe they aren't putting away honey by the super full, but if they are not increasing in weight, yes you will have to feed to get new comb drawn.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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