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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    Note that Maxant extractors (and some other brands) already have an inverted conical bottom to the tank that directs honey to the outer edge of the tank.
    I wouldn't brag about it. This would be very bad if the vessel cannot be tipped over for cleaning. I can't imagine they do that on the big ones.
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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    You don't want dirt sand glass wire fragments etc to stay in the honey so it is a good idea to give heavy debris a place to collect below the honey gate.
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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    This would be very bad if the vessel cannot be tipped over for cleaning
    Again Brian, a spatula attached to a dowel will easily push most of the honey to the gate and out..........
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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    Quote Originally Posted by deknow View Post
    You don't want dirt sand glass wire fragments etc to stay in the honey so it is a good idea to give heavy debris a place to collect below the honey gate.
    Who has glass fragments in their honey????
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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    > Note that Maxant extractors (and some other brands) already have an inverted conical bottom ....

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    I wouldn't brag about it. This would be very bad if the vessel cannot be tipped over for cleaning.
    Say what???

    An inverted conical bottom means the center of the tank bottom is higher than the outer edge of the bottom when the tank is right side up.


    That design in no way interferes with the ability to turn the tank over for cleaning.






    For those that have difficulty with the inverted cone concept, a 1920 patent application extractor graphic ...



    Note the inverted conical bottom.
    You can also see a large image at the original patent application here:
    http://www.google.com/patents/US1474865

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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    Note that Maxant extractors (and some other brands) already have an inverted conical bottom to the tank that directs honey to the outer edge of the tank.
    For any extractor that one can tip to one side, this works fine. For large floor mounted models, I would think the added cost of dropping the bottom gate a tad below the tank bottom would be a welcome design, or an angled bottom to the drain. Maybe they're already designed this way?
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    Some large scale extractors ... uhh ... go about it sideways ....



    more here: http://www.cooknbeals.com/extractor.php

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    This machine is equipped with a feeding conveyor and an empty frame rack. The conveyor is designed so that the frames from an uncapping head are conveyed to the extractor. The conveyor holds the same number of combs as the extractor so the uncapping machine never needs to be stopped while loading and unloading the extractor, thus any delay in uncapping time is eliminated.
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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    If I were big enough to need one of these very large extractors, I don't think I'd be worrying about a few pounds of honey left in the tank.
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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    One of my brilliant inventions introduced to the beekeeping world, again without patent or copyright, is the Hinged Extractor Mounting Board, or HEMB abbreviated. Our 20 frame Dadant is bolted to a board that is Hinged to it's stand and held close with toolbox type clamps. When a batch of honey is finished, we open the clamps, tilt up the board and extractor, place a 4X4 under the board, and all the honey drains out. See piano hinge:


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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    you should say "not quite all the honey runs out"

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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    Quote Originally Posted by cg3 View Post
    If I were big enough to need one of these very large extractors, I don't think I'd be worrying about a few pounds of honey left in the tank.
    That is not the real issue. The issue with a food grade vessel is cleaning and sanitizing. Odfrank has a very good idea for a small extractor. The gate valve should be above the bottom of the tank as deknow noted but having a bottom drain is a must on a large extractor and would be handy for a small one.
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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    Quote Originally Posted by deknow View Post
    You don't want dirt sand glass wire fragments etc to stay in the honey so it is a good idea to give heavy debris a place to collect below the honey gate.
    how exactly do YOU extract honey? Because in my house, after its extracted, laying in the bottom of the extractor, it has wax chunks etc in it that i dont want im my bottled honey. so i open the gate and it flows out into a 400 mesh filter that sits ontop of a 5 gal bucket.

    so any of this mysterious glass, sand, dirt, wire fragments?!?! you speak of will NOT make it through that 200 mesh screen as well as the wax fragments, or dead bees etc.

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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    Quote Originally Posted by oldforte View Post
    you should say "not quite all the honey runs out"
    All the honey runs out except maybe one teaspoonful. Or maybe it is a table spoonful. Or maybe even four tablespoons full. I will check today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldforte View Post
    you should say "not quite all the honey runs out"
    That may be true, but I set my extractor outside to let the girls clean it up. Those tablespoons i dont get out, the girls do and return it to the hive and use it.

    Nothing goes to waste!

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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    Has anyone seen Ace and Rader in the same room? They could argue over the sky color.

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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    Probably best do that outside ...
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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    Quote Originally Posted by pharmbee View Post
    Has anyone seen Ace and Rader in the same room? They could argue over the sky color.
    That's probably true. Put Mark B into a room with Ace and they'll fight over whether the lights are on or not!
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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    I have been in a room with Mark and it was quite pleasant. I would like to help Rader learn a few things instead of twisting and turning concepts out to the wild blue yonder having nothing to do with the original concept.
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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    So what was the thread about....
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    Default Re: Best small scale electric extractor?

    Moi? Twisting and turning?


    I wonder what Barry meant when he responded to Ace with this ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Ah oh, down the rabbit hole I go. Ace, as usual, you start your argument with "filter" wax and then switch to "ultra filter" honey.

    (click the blue arrow in the quote box to see the original post/thread)
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