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  1. #21
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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    From what I have read and depending on your method of harvesting, I found an average of 1:100 meaning 1 pound of wax for 100 pounds of honey. I might be wrong but it must be somewhat close.
    The site I have read and from other larger beekeepers is where I gathered my information from. So there would be a lot of honey in 1 5 gal bucket to extract still.
    Some places say 2:100, I think it depends on the thickness of combs and if you crush and strain.

    Either way I am getting a spinner
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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    I don't think there is a definitive number. The heavier the flow, the heavier the wax secretion instinct becomes.
    This time of year I do a lot of driving the area on evenings and week ends, spot checking bee yards to determine where our time is best spent in the coming days.
    Here's an observation that I have noticed through the years. You can usually get a real good idea for how full the top box is by knocking on the lid just like you would knock on a door (we use a non-recessed lid). The fuller hives build burr comb up under the lid resulting in a solid "knock" while the emptier ones sound hollow......EXCEPT on boxes which contain a number of sheets of foundation. Many of those sound hollow yet are nearly full as all the bees comb making energy goes into drawing out foundation with little energy spent making additional, relatively useless, burr comb on the top bars. My conclusion is that when a flow is in progress that wax secretions are instinctively tuned to building new comb and not filling out drawn comb where the needs are much less. More drawn comb = more burr comb.
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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    It would be nice to know a ballpark number to help determine how much honey is being separated from the cappings. Will it net you 1000lb of honey and enough wax for bricks/candles to pay itself back in a season? Plus how much time is saved? The Jr could be a cheaper introduction and serve your needs for a season or 2. Resale on these are pretty good, and then you can get exactly what your operation needs without going full chips in too early.

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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    Before I bought my Maxent Sr spinner several years ago, I had left all my wax cappings to drain for about a month before the spinner showed up in my honey house. I had always let the cappings drain this way for years and was curious as you as to how much honey I would be able to spin out. I filled six five gallon buckets with cappings. What I ended up with was six gallons of honey from the spinning process. Worth the money to buy the spinner, it will have a return on your investment.

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    Ben Little, I needed some way to spin my cappings and I do not have room for a spinner until I build a much larger building so what to do? I have a 60 frame Dadant extractor. I built 6 screened boxes out of old shallow supers, place them in the extractor, then I can scoop my cappings in and spin them out. The boxes hold right at 35 gallons of cappings. I extract thru the day, draining off the honey from the cappings, at the end of the day I scoop the cappings into my homemade boxes and spin them out. Hardest part is dumping out the wax after the spinning. Attached are some photos. You will see in the photos I took one end out of the shallow super, covered one side with plywood, the other side with 1/8" hardware screen, reinforced around the top with 1x2 lumber, 1x1 lumber to hold the screen on the box and a lid to keep the wax in while spinning. I placed a 1x1 across the middle of the screen to keep it from buldging out while spinning, it needs two like in photo #8. Maybe this will get you by till later like it is me. The cost is right, about one day of my own 'free' labor. Victor H

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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    Very cool ! I wish I had a bigger radial extractor for that, I might build a smaller box for my 1400 maxant and try it. Thanks for the pictures !
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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    Victor, How much honey do you get out of 6 boxes worth of capping?

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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    RAK, Obviously it depends on how 'wet' the cappings are with honey. If wet cappings I get around 10 gallons honey, if I let them drain over night or so about 6 gallons honey.
    Victor H

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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    I have just used my new to me Maxant Jr. for the first time this year. I uncap directly into it. I lift off the cappings with a fork, I can do about 20 frames in 20 minutes, just the amount of time my Dadant 20 takes to spin. Once I have the extractor running I uncap the next 20 into my spinner and hold them in my uncapping tray. The timing seems to work out perfect for me, no bottlenecks. I just picked up a used Kelley vibrating jiggle knife, so that may change things once I put it into the mix.
    I was amazed at the amount of honey I am retrieving that I "lost" in previous years. I figure I have 6 three gallon buckets of dry cappings so far, and have emptied over 6 gallons of saved honey from those cappings. It might not pay for itself in year one, but it won't take a lot longer than that. I'm not half done extracting yet.
    65 hives, not commercial, but it might give you an idea.

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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    The first time I used a cappings spinner....maxant jr. For 100 hives, average 180lbs a hive, we saved at least 1 barrel, 600 lbs of honey with the spinner. That was with a flail chain uncapper.

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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott J. View Post
    Before I bought my Maxent Sr spinner several years ago, I had left all my wax cappings to drain for about a month before the spinner showed up in my honey house. I had always let the cappings drain this way for years and was curious as you as to how much honey I would be able to spin out. I filled six five gallon buckets with cappings. What I ended up with was six gallons of honey from the spinning process. Worth the money to buy the spinner, it will have a return on your investment.
    Hi Scott
    Just bought a Jr. Uncapper. Had my cappings in buckets as you did. Warmed bucket to about 90 deg. Dumped in one bucket, ran spinner all day ended up with 1/2 cup honey in bucket. Capping are full of honey. The only thing I can think of is that I would compact the cappings down in the bucket so I could get more in bucket and they are very dense.
    Any ideas why honey is not spinning out
    Thanks Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick55 View Post
    Hi Scott
    Just bought a Jr. Uncapper. Had my cappings in buckets as you did. Warmed bucket to about 90 deg. Dumped in one bucket, ran spinner all day ended up with 1/2 cup honey in bucket. Capping are full of honey. The only thing I can think of is that I would compact the cappings down in the bucket so I could get more in bucket and they are very dense.
    Any ideas why honey is not spinning out
    Thanks Rick
    Honey probably contains some granulation.
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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    Is your honey too thick ? We have a Jr spinner (which I know is too small for us but only what I could afford to buy this year) and it works fine for cappings, I think if you have stored your cappings and the honey isn't coming out of them, try warming them up more, if you have crystallized honey in there I doubt it will come out. We ran ours minimum 4-5 hours after loading it and it did a good job, some were ran longer depending on the amount of honey that was mixed in the cappings. We used a chain uncapper and caught the cappings/honey in food grade containers and just kept swapping them out and filling the spinner slowly. Worked fine for us.
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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    He ran 90 degree honey "all day" and just got half a cup of honey out. Granulation is the only possible explanation I can come up with. If the honey is exceptionally dry, a very light misting of warm water (steam is ideal) will free up a lot of honey but I kind of doubt it's going to help much given what he describes.
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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    I suppose, maybe he will have to melt it all down to get it out and just feed it back to the bees in spring.
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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    Seems to me like a long time to run a spinner. How much comes out after 10 min ?

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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    I would look close at wax presses, I made that decision this last month, going that route instead of a spin float. no heat exchange required. goes under the uncapper. going to pump the stuff from the extractor back thru it also. Just a thought there is an option to the old standard

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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Little View Post
    I suppose, maybe he will have to melt it all down to get it out and just feed it back to the bees in spring.
    Perhaps that will be his only good option. I've dealt with cappings like this from time to time and what a PITA it can be, it's amazing how just a little granulation can plug up a spinner.
    A separator is much better in that you don't have to push stuff through a screen of sorts.
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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    Wax press is only for slum.will not help recover any honey there.

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    Default Re: buying a cappings spinner?

    I think your mistaken The new screw presses are designed just for this

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