Since I haven't been able to get the official notes from previous meeting, someone let me know that a meeting was going to be held and I attended and below is what I wrote down during the meeting. I also have some of the provided material and if I can figure out how to include it I will. I got to finally meet Mark and saw his Honey mobile.
this is my interpretation of what was discussed at today's meeting.
1. They discussed the cornell replacement for Nick Colderon. It was stated that an emergency situation in N.Y. would help to get something going in this area.
Ted elk said that there were 60-70% losses across usa.
Winters said they are seeing 20% loss of hives after apple pollination. They have young queens, low/no mites, nosema test, they are awaiting nosema results.
Doan: wants state land reopend to bees- pay state fees for use of land.
Cappy- in regard to state land if you rest bees after polination, loss drops from 50-100% to as low as 10%.
John Ryan- asked anyone have any hard fact/statistics?
Cappy - winter losses. they did work with commercial beeks about loss of colonies in the summer. 72.5 % died, found dead when they got to Florida.
"someone" said that they had reports from their network of commercial beeks to that effect.
John Ryan resolution to Cornell using the commercial data to do research on the problem.
2. They discussed the $50,000 grant for research for work done on bees for Cornell
Ted Elk- complained that the 50,000 wasn't enough, wants more, the maple syrup people get more and the beeks generate more money for the state than the Maple group.
Doan: said orange honey is going for 2.70 lb, this is a disaster.
They want to schedule a hearing in Albany about the problems.
They have a list of people to work on a committee to work on what should be done for research.
Doan recommended Mark be put on the committee as he is the ESHPA president, and they are the lead organization for N.Y.
they are submitting a document to Cornell with the list of names.
3. Farm Visibility Inst. (name may not be exact at first I thought it was Farm Liability inst.)
They were contacted by the Farm Visibility inst.
It was explained that this entity might be helpful financially as they may be able to get state money for research grants and project
and they do it as one lumps sum and then distribute it to the projects they find worthy.
4. Beekeepers questions.
Kutik submitted as he was in Main. Possible regulation requiring time and a half would be onerous for comm. beeks
Doan can't afford time and a half.
Comm. suggested that they contact the Farm bureau as it has a labor committee.
Kutik- don't mow roadsides, plant bee forage instead. It''s a waste of fossil fuels and promotes global warming.
It was stated that this year the Adirondacks will not be mowed until late in the year.
Comm. said he would talk to the DOT and DEC about it at their next meeting.
Doan- wants the Dec to get more bear fences as each region only has one fence and there is too much competition for the fence.
also would like the DEC to tell how many bears are in each area.
Ted Elk- addressed Imitation honey in honey bear is being sold. Syrup should shouldn't bee sold in honey bears
Comm- will look into this.
Item d on the list. Wilson- looking to get the inspection of all beekeepers in N.Y. found the help from the inspectors was excellent.
Earl- said the Bee Wellness was addressing how to diagnose AFB, but what enforcement is in place, who destroyers the colony.
said restart the bee inspection program.
Ryan- what would be the cost of the program with 10-12 inspectors and 1/3 of the bees tested.
Cappy- said Maryland uses a dog in the winter that will mark the hives(not sure how it marks the hives ) and will do 100% of the apiary.
Cappy- since most Comm. beeks start out as backyard beeks, that no inspections is hurting growth of beeks going tobecome commercial beeks.
person I didn't write name down said: get the farmers from apples and vine crops to ask for reinstating inspections of bee hives.
Link- suggested ask the beeks to vote if they want inspections at all or make it optional.
Comm.- said priority would be 1. train new beeks 2 Farm Viability- project how bad is AFB in N.Y.
new topic:
Doan said the Canadians are looking at opening the borders, he doesn't thing its a good idea, due to hives coming into the usa because they import bees from Australia and they have a new mite.
comm- will put it on his discussions with the usda.
Doan- would expect with all the hives coming into N.Y. and the inspection program coming back that we would need Mandatory Registration of
apiaries. The "all" the hives coming into N.Y. was a reference to Mendes a commercial beek that is apparently moving or going to move many hives into norther N.Y.
Ted Elk- said Possession of the area is being there first.
Comm.- said he would look at opening state land to N.Y. beeks
and how to protect beeks areas.
LUNCH: I will admit I ate a half a sandwich may have been paid with state funds, please don't hold it against me. It was ok.
Cappy did an analysis of bee loses over the last few years(I didn't have a packet available so don't have the info provided)
Doan- said neonics are the problem. He sited studies/papers that have not been published or made available to others for reading.
There was a length discussion between Doan, Cappy, and the representative for the apple people about sprays and residual data in plants.
two pesticides mentioned were asail(sp) and Calypso(sp) which I assume are neonics, the apple grower said he only applies after the bees are gone but do to Doans information about residuals he is wondering how much is left in the tree.
cappy said the following year that the dandelions would pick up the residual and be available for the bees.
Doan- says that fluvalinate and coumaphos that are showing up in the pollen samples(trapped coming into the hive) are coming from the pesticide manufacturers and being added to apple sprays as inert ingredient to make the spray more effective(inerts do not have to show on the label and are not tested) so they haven't been able to find out which sprays include these chemicals.
Cappy talked about the Lu harvard neonic studies and said these studies were a good example of how directly feeding more neonics to bees than the label allows shows the same symptoms in the hives when they die as ccd does. My comment here" most researches find these studies junk as feeding pesticides to bees will naturally kill bees, a flawed study at best" but as a guest I couldn't comment.
person saying I forgot to write name: said that neonics usage is 8x higher in a landscaping/nurseries environment and someone is looking at addressing this.
since I don't do short hand and got distracted a few times, this is what I wrote down and heard. Some comments have been left out, names may be misspelled or incomplete as I only could see half the name plates.
I asked during lunch of Steve Wilson if he could post when and where the meetings will be held.He said that has been and is still a problem and he will see what is available.
this is my interpretation of what was discussed at today's meeting.
1. They discussed the cornell replacement for Nick Colderon. It was stated that an emergency situation in N.Y. would help to get something going in this area.
Ted elk said that there were 60-70% losses across usa.
Winters said they are seeing 20% loss of hives after apple pollination. They have young queens, low/no mites, nosema test, they are awaiting nosema results.
Doan: wants state land reopend to bees- pay state fees for use of land.
Cappy- in regard to state land if you rest bees after polination, loss drops from 50-100% to as low as 10%.
John Ryan- asked anyone have any hard fact/statistics?
Cappy - winter losses. they did work with commercial beeks about loss of colonies in the summer. 72.5 % died, found dead when they got to Florida.
"someone" said that they had reports from their network of commercial beeks to that effect.
John Ryan resolution to Cornell using the commercial data to do research on the problem.
2. They discussed the $50,000 grant for research for work done on bees for Cornell
Ted Elk- complained that the 50,000 wasn't enough, wants more, the maple syrup people get more and the beeks generate more money for the state than the Maple group.
Doan: said orange honey is going for 2.70 lb, this is a disaster.
They want to schedule a hearing in Albany about the problems.
They have a list of people to work on a committee to work on what should be done for research.
Doan recommended Mark be put on the committee as he is the ESHPA president, and they are the lead organization for N.Y.
they are submitting a document to Cornell with the list of names.
3. Farm Visibility Inst. (name may not be exact at first I thought it was Farm Liability inst.)
They were contacted by the Farm Visibility inst.
It was explained that this entity might be helpful financially as they may be able to get state money for research grants and project
and they do it as one lumps sum and then distribute it to the projects they find worthy.
4. Beekeepers questions.
Kutik submitted as he was in Main. Possible regulation requiring time and a half would be onerous for comm. beeks
Doan can't afford time and a half.
Comm. suggested that they contact the Farm bureau as it has a labor committee.
Kutik- don't mow roadsides, plant bee forage instead. It''s a waste of fossil fuels and promotes global warming.
It was stated that this year the Adirondacks will not be mowed until late in the year.
Comm. said he would talk to the DOT and DEC about it at their next meeting.
Doan- wants the Dec to get more bear fences as each region only has one fence and there is too much competition for the fence.
also would like the DEC to tell how many bears are in each area.
Ted Elk- addressed Imitation honey in honey bear is being sold. Syrup should shouldn't bee sold in honey bears
Comm- will look into this.
Item d on the list. Wilson- looking to get the inspection of all beekeepers in N.Y. found the help from the inspectors was excellent.
Earl- said the Bee Wellness was addressing how to diagnose AFB, but what enforcement is in place, who destroyers the colony.
said restart the bee inspection program.
Ryan- what would be the cost of the program with 10-12 inspectors and 1/3 of the bees tested.
Cappy- said Maryland uses a dog in the winter that will mark the hives(not sure how it marks the hives ) and will do 100% of the apiary.
Cappy- since most Comm. beeks start out as backyard beeks, that no inspections is hurting growth of beeks going tobecome commercial beeks.
person I didn't write name down said: get the farmers from apples and vine crops to ask for reinstating inspections of bee hives.
Link- suggested ask the beeks to vote if they want inspections at all or make it optional.
Comm.- said priority would be 1. train new beeks 2 Farm Viability- project how bad is AFB in N.Y.
new topic:
Doan said the Canadians are looking at opening the borders, he doesn't thing its a good idea, due to hives coming into the usa because they import bees from Australia and they have a new mite.
comm- will put it on his discussions with the usda.
Doan- would expect with all the hives coming into N.Y. and the inspection program coming back that we would need Mandatory Registration of
apiaries. The "all" the hives coming into N.Y. was a reference to Mendes a commercial beek that is apparently moving or going to move many hives into norther N.Y.
Ted Elk- said Possession of the area is being there first.
Comm.- said he would look at opening state land to N.Y. beeks
and how to protect beeks areas.
LUNCH: I will admit I ate a half a sandwich may have been paid with state funds, please don't hold it against me. It was ok.
Cappy did an analysis of bee loses over the last few years(I didn't have a packet available so don't have the info provided)
Doan- said neonics are the problem. He sited studies/papers that have not been published or made available to others for reading.
There was a length discussion between Doan, Cappy, and the representative for the apple people about sprays and residual data in plants.
two pesticides mentioned were asail(sp) and Calypso(sp) which I assume are neonics, the apple grower said he only applies after the bees are gone but do to Doans information about residuals he is wondering how much is left in the tree.
cappy said the following year that the dandelions would pick up the residual and be available for the bees.
Doan- says that fluvalinate and coumaphos that are showing up in the pollen samples(trapped coming into the hive) are coming from the pesticide manufacturers and being added to apple sprays as inert ingredient to make the spray more effective(inerts do not have to show on the label and are not tested) so they haven't been able to find out which sprays include these chemicals.
Cappy talked about the Lu harvard neonic studies and said these studies were a good example of how directly feeding more neonics to bees than the label allows shows the same symptoms in the hives when they die as ccd does. My comment here" most researches find these studies junk as feeding pesticides to bees will naturally kill bees, a flawed study at best" but as a guest I couldn't comment.
person saying I forgot to write name: said that neonics usage is 8x higher in a landscaping/nurseries environment and someone is looking at addressing this.
since I don't do short hand and got distracted a few times, this is what I wrote down and heard. Some comments have been left out, names may be misspelled or incomplete as I only could see half the name plates.
I asked during lunch of Steve Wilson if he could post when and where the meetings will be held.He said that has been and is still a problem and he will see what is available.