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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    Textbook split? Is that what you did?
    No that is not what I did. After revisiting Michael's site my splits would be considered even splits without the balancing act that follows. I thought they were "walk away" because you deal the deck and walk away. What Michael describes for a walk away is textbook and not all "textbook" splits will survive. Nothing is 100%.
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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    > my splits would be considered even splits ...

    All kinds of splits need either a queen or eggs/young larvae to be able to make their own .... including 'even splits' ....

    The concepts of splits are:

    You have to make sure that both of the resulting colonies have a queen or the resources to make one (eggs or larvae that just hatched from the egg, drones flying, pollen and honey, plenty of nurse bees).

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beessplits.htm
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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    Your 'willy nilly' split method does not seem to involve checking to see if you have eggs.
    I may be wrong, but my impression is that Brian doesn't check for anything. Other than the presence of bees in the boxes. I could be wrong, but that's how it looks from here.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    It implies that if you do a textbook split you will never have failure.
    That's quite a leap. There are no guarantees. Only greater probability of success.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    No that is not what I did. After revisiting Michael's site my splits would be considered even splits without the balancing act that follows. I thought they were "walk away" because you deal the deck and walk away. What Michael describes for a walk away is textbook and not all "textbook" splits will survive. Nothing is 100%.
    We'll have to call them Acebird Splits and recommend that no one wanting success do them.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    Or just call them 'Split like Crazy'.
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    Thumbs Up Re: Walk away did not go well

    I just read thru this thread. I think blueridgebee's brief essay was excellent.

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    Question Re: Walk away did not go well

    yes.. mr. acebird is free to keep assorted varieties of bugs and their offspring in his boxes .

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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    it is wise to carefully sort thru the posts on bee-source, some ideas are a lot better than others.

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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    Quote Originally Posted by mathesonequip View Post
    I just read thru this thread. I think blueridgebee's brief essay was excellent.
    I somehow missed that soap box so I had to go through this thread to find it.

    The world accepts treating old age with a menagerie of pharmaceuticals to temporarily extend the old persons life while polluting the earth, resulting in child abnormalities and sooner or later shorter life spans. The world accepts dousing bees with similar chemicals which results in a weaker bee and stronger mite over the long run. This has nothing to do with splitting so you go your way and I will go mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    I may be wrong, but my impression is that Brian doesn't check for anything.
    Normally Mark, I look for the brood nest and assure that half goes one way and the other. When I split I had too many hives getting out of hand. They were so over packed with bees I could not tell from looking at the bottom of the frames if there was young brood. All I could see is many broken apart cells that were probably drones.

    Correct me if I am wrong but I don't suspect a varroa problem from a hive that makes it through one of our winters especially the last one busting out at the seems. But all things are possible.
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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Only greater probability of success.
    No arguement on that. How much success do you need with splits to maintain 3 hives when you have 3 to begin with?
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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    splits to maintain 3 hives when you have 3
    Why split at all? You could either let them swarm or give them more room.
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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    No arguement on that. How much success do you need with splits to maintain 3 hives when you have 3 to begin with?
    As long as you have three live hives the answer would be zero. But you weren't planning on both halves dying, were you? If you have 3 colonies and you want only three colonies, why split at all? As Charlie says above.
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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    Maybe to avoid dealing with that pesky honey stuff?
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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    Or just call them 'Split like Crazy'.
    Ummmmmmm
    No

    Definately

    No

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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    Quote Originally Posted by cg3 View Post
    Why split at all? You could either let them swarm or give them more room.
    There is some logic to it. If you are not treating the sky is falling, right? So you must have more to remain at a certain level. Secondly, splitting is a form of swarm control and varroa suppression. Thirdly, it is a common practice among the experts to requeen every year. Splitting is a way of requeening every other year. The second year queen gives you a bountiful honey hive and as the experts say will not make it through the next winter (because you are not treating).

    I love the finger pointers. Where were they when my splits succeeded in past years? Except for beecourious they didn't have much to say. This is one failure folks, whop tee do.
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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    You brought it up, Brian. What did you expect w/ a Thread titled "Walk away did not go well"? People give you all sorts of good/useful advice and you come up w/ excuses and imaginings on why not to do it the way you are advised. Then you take Michael Bush's "Walkaway Split" and bastardize it and then Post a Thread about it not working. So what do you expect?
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    some , no a lot of years ago I had a friend who had a favorite saying, "my mind is made up don't confuse me with facts" somehow this has come back to me.

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    Default Re: Walk away did not go well

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    So what do you expect?
    Quite frankly Mark I do not expect anything, I don't shade the results of my activities and I publish the results to beesource as accurately as I can. What do you expect Mark? Do you expect I will quit?
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