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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    We yes i said we are not willing to pay (for food) what we are willing to get paid (to plow and hoe crops). If you don't like it make your own. And come on nobody can come up withal reason that a weedwacker in front of a bee hive is a bad idea? Ha ha just had to put my 2 cents in.

  2. #42
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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    Most people don't understand labor costs of running a large farm and busting out the 'weedwhackers' whatever form they may take. We ran a crew through our trial plots, probably spent $15,000 on 23 acres when all was said and done.... If the field had been managed better with chemistry, I'm betting it would've cost less than $1000 with 1000 times less effort as well. People want abundant cheap food, so better living through chemistry.

  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    > In rader's case how about vinegar.

    1200 ft of driveway, average 9 ft wide is close to 11,000 sq ft. How many gallons of vinegar per year do you think it will require to keep weeds off that driveway?
    And how much $$$? And what will all that vinegar runoff do to my local stream water quality?

    Since I apply glyphosate with a hand pump sprayer that I walk around with, I would be walking and carrying many gallons of vinegar up (or down) the hill. That 160 vertical feet is equivalent to a 16 story building, walking the staircase all the way to the top. I get enough exercise as it is, thank you.


    I currently use about 2 quarts of glyphosate per year on my driveway. That costs about $10 per year, plus my time. Vinegar simply is not practical.
    And the reason you need pesticides for your driveway is...?

    Quote Originally Posted by j.kuder View Post
    what ever happened to the plow and cultivator? lets see it's a cycle farmers use chemicals to get an edge and create more profit= more crop produced = bumper crop = price drop = need a new edge.
    Indeed, there are still many tools available other than herbicides, such as rotary hoes, harrows, cultivators. I'm not saying that Roundup doesn't have uses that these tools would have a hard time achieving, but when it comes to keeping a field clean, there's more than just herbicides at one's disposal.

    Quote Originally Posted by John R C View Post
    Soil conservation practices used by farmers to prevent erosion and runoff have necessitated the use of herbicides for weed suppression.
    I don't buy this. While Roundup can be quite a boon in a no-till approach, as far as I know, most farmers who use RR crops do not use the no-till approach. Roundup clears the spaces between the rows, leaving it exposed and susceptible to erosion, especially runoff. And where can Roundup be really nasty? Oh, in the streams and ponds...

    You could use mechanical means to deal with your weeds while your crop grows, and then sow in a cover crop like ray-grass between the rows once your plant is mature (no decrease in crop yield if sowed once corn has reached the 6 leaf stage, for example), which would then truly help against both wind and water erosion, as well as reduce compaction and nutrient runoff, improving soil structure. Roundup isn't the solution to soil conservation issues.
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  4. #44
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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    Dominic, in my area glyphosate IS used in no till farming. There is not enough moisture in the ground to see a cover crop. That would be a total disaster.

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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    My personal lesson on Round Up, Last year the field across from my house was sprayed with R U. Two hives went into decline. The drift blew right into the hives. Also into my greenhouse killing hundreds of plants.

  6. #46
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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dominic View Post
    And the reason you need pesticides for your driveway is...?
    You obviously did not READ post #9. Try that, then come back with questions, if you still have some.
    Graham
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    Look, this whole thread here in the bee forum was at least a couple degrees removed from beekeeping to start with. Lots of ummm interesting posts including one from a guy talking about the eagles nest in his back yard.
    We may all have missed the most curious part of all. The following is from the resume of the author of the link posted in the OP.



    "In 1995 Sayer received a BA degree in Philosophy from Rutgers University, where he studied under the American philosopher Dr. Bruce W. Wilshire, with a focus on the philosophy of science. In 1996, following residency at the Zen Mountain Monastery in upstate New York, he embarked on a 5 year journey of service as a counsellor-teacher and wilderness therapy specialist for various organizations that serve underprivileged and/or adjudicated populations. Since 2003, Sayer has served as a patient advocate and an educator and consultant for the natural health and wellness field."



    I'm not about to knock anyone's life choices, probably a really interesting guy but clearly a "scientist" with a unique perspective. Maybe we could tone this down a bit, respect others views and actually talk about something a bit more closely related to beekeeping (gasp)?
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    Backyarder, what those plants are showing signs of is not limited to aminopyralid. The same thing will happen when using a 2 4D based herbicide. I've seen that in my own garden and have never used a aminopyralid herbicide. We raise cattle and sell a lot of hay. I don't like the chemicals but I can't grow good quality hay without them.

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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    If one wants to worry about agriculture, worry about water. This country is on a huge water usage deficit.

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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    Mystery solved. I just chatted with the Roundup folks...





    Here's the link to Monsanto's Roundup page. The live chat button is in the upper right corner.
    http://www.roundup.com/smg/templates...775958&sissr=1
    Last edited by Barry Digman; 05-17-2014 at 06:36 PM. Reason: Add link
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  11. #51
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    Brad Bee, I think aminopyralid contamination is the most likely cause. My neighbor (the one I got compost from) has a 1/2 acre garden. He used the same compost to mound his potatoes with. They popped up nicely but since he has mound ed them with compost they started doing the same thing. The rest of his garden is doing comparable to last year. Something in that pile of composted horse manure is the likely culprit. Last year he started getting hay from a different person. He called them and asked if they treat their hay fields, they said basically what you did.
    Higher quality hay from treated fields. The downside of that is we didn't know that before we zapped our gardens.
    I live in south central Kansas, there's a half section of wheat bordering my backyard. Lots of farmers in the family.
    I realize these chemicals are part of our agricultural reality.
    But on the other hand, it took a dust bowl before we learned to plant wind breaks after the plows broke the prairie. Theyre tearing out a lot of those trees now and going no till.

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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Digman View Post
    Mystery solved. I just chatted with the Roundup folks...





    Here's the link to Monsanto's Roundup page. The live chat button is in the upper right corner.
    http://www.roundup.com/smg/templates...775958&sissr=1
    Ha ha! Well that settles it for sure. Maybe I will get on there and ask "Is Roundup as safe as we've been told". If I don't like what I hear there, perhaps I will see if the Zen Mountain Monastery has a similar chat line.
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    I didn't see anything about Live Chat, but you can signup for various Zen Mountain Monastery email newsletters.

    http://zmm.mro.org/about/newsletter-signup/
    Graham
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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    I wonder what he'd have said had you asked about one of the generic competitors.
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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    Beautiful fields, now if I could kick husband and the farmer off the 6 measly acres the farmer desperately has influenced husband into believing the hype of "if the label says it's harmful to honeybees I can not use it", and "it's just an herbicide".......money talks..... And my questions and facts get ignored. Living in a farming community I'm certain my "Apiary" letters will go ignored as legally I have no recourse and the farmer is not held liable and they know it. So much for the Ohio revised code that only contradicts itself and provides Apairists with no leverage at all.

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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    So if a plant is in bloom and then sprayed with Roundup or Imazapyr, what little honey the bees do collect, would it be cantaminated? I would think so but don't know so.

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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    We waited until close to dark and sprayed the area around our hives that we have in the timber. No ill effects, both hives are doing just fine and the weeds are dead. We may haul some mulch in.

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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    I know of one of my hives that I had at a farm in strawberries 2 years ago where they sprayed roundup inbetween the rows to kill the weeds there and I could smell it the next day. The bees wern't happy for weeks and they crashed that summer with stores in the hive. I couldn't move the bees before he sprayed because they were rearing a new queen and I didn't want to hurt her. (The new queen had just started to lay the week of the spraying) Lesson learned for me. Perhaps a small area could disipate fast enough, but a larger area (say an acre or so) is too much product.

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    Default Re: Is Roundup as safe as we have been told?

    Quote Originally Posted by jim lyon View Post
    "In 1995 Sayer received a BA degree in Philosophy from Rutgers University, where he studied under the American philosopher Dr. Bruce W. Wilshire, with a focus on the philosophy of science."(gasp)?
    Isn't "the philosopy of science" an oxymoron?
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    look at the source of the article, wake up world, probaly not the best scientific reporting website out there. They also have articles on vaccines and many other conspiracy theories.

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