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  1. #1
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    Default Failure before launching - don't know what I am looking at yet

    So I was planning to set up the cell starter yesterday. Placed a mini frame in the brood area Saturday for new eggs with the plan to transfer today. The two hives were busting at the seams. Tons of bees, lots of capped larvae. Been checking over the frames for capped cells, and so far so good. Dealing with lots of new foundationless frames being checkerboarded to give them all the room they want. Some comb not being filled all the way to the bottom, but have been thinking things were going well. It is all looking good and yesterday I braved the thunder and threat of rain to set the starter colony up. Opened the first hive that was packed Thursday, she has 1/3 the bees and most the capped brood is emerged. Yikes - started looking close, frame by frame and on the bottom of the almost finished comb is a queen cell. Then found another, and then 2 more. Yep, sure as shooting, I missed them, apparently supersede cells under my nose. I think 60 percent of the bees are gone. But they are adding honey now.

    Well maybe the other hive has 3 frames of brood I can steal. Pull the top and the bars are not covered with bees. Now I know that since it is threating rain, this baby should be packed. Start the search and yep, find 2 supersede cells and one emergency style cell. This baby is done about 40 percent at least.

    No eggs in either, sure hope that virgin gets mated and returns. Only one other hive that might have the volume to steal from for a starter colony (I am only going to try for 5 to 8 cells this time). I will try to check her this afternoon, but it has not be checked in 10 day, and with my record of missing queen cells, she likely is swarmed as well.

    Hate these sharp turns on the learning curve. Time will tell.
    Started 9/13, building slowly, now @ 7 Lang hives + 5 nucs, and treatment style not decided yet

  2. #2
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    Default Re: Failure before launching - don't know what I am looking at yet

    If the queen cells are on the bottom they are swarm cells.when they cap them the hive will swarm.

  3. #3
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    hendersonville nc usa
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    Default Re: Failure before launching - don't know what I am looking at yet

    they swarmed

  4. #4
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    Default Re: Failure before launching - don't know what I am looking at yet

    Yea, apparently I am missing supersede cells. And have missed several of them in most the hives. So I have contributed at least 5 swarms to the surrounding area. That is not what I wanted, but learning curve is a bummer.

    Then set up a cell starter hive and the temperatures are dropping into the 40s tonight.

  5. #5
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    Nehawka, Nebraska USA
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    Default Re: Failure before launching - don't know what I am looking at yet

    Either they are swarm cells or they are supersedure cells. Location is irrelevant. Relative ages are relevant. Supersedure cells and emergency cells are all approximately the same age. Swarm cells are staggered in age. The state and direction of the hive is more telling when trying to figure out what they are doing, than the location of the cells...

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesfallaci...mcellsonbottom
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

  6. #6
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    Default Re: Failure before launching - don't know what I am looking at yet

    If you have a bunch of swarm cells, why not split and hold off on grafting for a bit?

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