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  1. #1
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    Default Top Bar Design Question

    Hello all,

    My buddy built me a top-bar hive. His top bars are not pointed (see photograph). Will this be an issue?

    Thanks,

    Bill

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    There's a bunch of different ways ranging from popcicle sticks to pointed wedges. There's no reason that one won't work! And... you've got a good friend if he was willing to do all the work in on those bars for you!

    You could always sand or rasp a small point on them if it made you feel better.
    Last edited by jwcarlson; 04-17-2014 at 02:29 PM.

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    That will work.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    Thank you for the comments. My buddy is a great guy and in the hobby. Further stats: bar length 171/4 inches, width 1 7/16 and the comb guide is 3/8 inch wide.

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Bendbill View Post
    Thank you for the comments. My buddy is a great guy and in the hobby. Further stats: bar length 171/4 inches, width 1 7/16 and the comb guide is 3/8 inch wide.
    Awesome! I think a case/bottle of his favorite spirit is probably in order. That's a good looking hive!

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    >the comb guide is 3/8 inch wide.

    Probably wider than I would go, but it will work. 3/16" would be better...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    Thank you Michael. I have time to adjust.

    Bill

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    I would use 1 1/4 inch bars. You may not have a problem with 1 7/16, but most people are using 1 1/4 or 1 3/8 and some use wider bars for stores. You have a very good friend indeed to help you with your hive!

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    Here is the adjustment to the comb guide... thanks everyone for your advice. Wonderful and helpful community.

    Billtop bar adjustment.jpg

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    That will work great! Did you do that with a router?

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    Yes indeed-with a router. I like that it is cedar and all one piece.

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    So, what is the issue/impact between a top-bar that is 1 7/16 and 1 3/8?

    Thanks,

    Bill

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    Not much, but I would go to 1 1/4. But some have said that they use 1 1/2 with no problems. I've just had good results with the 1 1/4. If the bars are too wide you will end up with either ribbon combs or with cross comb. The former is really just annoying, but the later can be a big problem. The better the guide the less chance of cross comb.

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    Nice looking Top Bars and Top Bar Hive. Welcome to beekeeping.
    48 years - 50 hives - TF
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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    >So, what is the issue/impact between a top-bar that is 1 7/16 and 1 3/8?

    In the brood nest: bigger cells, more drones, more work for the bees than 1 1/4" They also might cheat over a little trying to make them smaller, but usually with 1 3/8" this would be minimal With 1 7/16 there would be more. With 1 1/2" they do it a lot.

    In the honey storage area: they will likely cheat them bigger (especially the 1 3/8") and soon will be getting off of the bars.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    I have bars that are all 1 3/8". Seems like that should work well for the brood area, but I'll want to be carful and have some very small spacers available when my bees get to drawing honey comb. Is something like1/8" spacers what I'll be looking for?

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    Default Re: Top Bar Design Question

    1/4" will do better. They can be off 1/8" and still land on the bar. They can even be off 1/4" and still land on the bar. But then you have to get them back on the bars...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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