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  1. #1
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    Default queen juice question

    I have a container with one ounce isopropyl alcohol--how many queens does it take to make a decent strength queen juice? Are 2-3 queens enough for a start?

    In previous years I have used the entire dead queen, when I had them, for swarm bait boxes. This year I want to start a good juice but only have 2 queens in it at the moment.
    Thanks.
    Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones. Prvb 16:24
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    Default Re: queen juice question

    Check over this recent discussion. I want to try this myself when I have old queens available. I was wondering if the losers in the race for new virgin queens to emerge might be used for this, but apparently you want a laying queen in order to get the pheromones.

    http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...een+swarm+bait

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    I add queens until they are not covered. I add alcohol until they are covered. I use it whenever I need it... whatever you have will help. If you want to fill in with something in the meantime, you can buy pseudoqueen from Mann Lake (and probably some other suppliers as well).
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    What does use Queen juice for?
    Janne....first hives April 2013, 19 hives, treat, plant zone 8b, at sea level, latitude 49.13, longitude 123.06

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    WBVC, it is used for Swarm bait.

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    Ahhh...maybe that is why I get no swarms..no bait
    Janne....first hives April 2013, 19 hives, treat, plant zone 8b, at sea level, latitude 49.13, longitude 123.06

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    You can use lemongrass oil if you have no queen pheromone. Some say it is better than queen pheromone. I don't know that the commercial baits are really pheromone.

    You should also use old brood comb. If you don't have any old brood comb that you can put in it see if you can get some processed brood comb wax. It really isn't good for anything outside of a hive, but it would have the right smell.

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    I like to use all 3 when I have them--brood comb, lgo, dead queen (now queen juice).

    I also started using the filtered out gunk from wax melting. I put wax (clean cappings and comb pieces) on top of a thick paper towel then in a home made solar wax melter. Nice clean wax melts through and what lays on top of the cloth is used as fire starters and I break off pieces and put in the bottom of bait hives. I put that in my new bait boxes. Old boxes, I don't do all that.

    Thanks for the link, Phoebee.
    Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones. Prvb 16:24
    March 2010; +/- 30 hives, TF

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    >I like to use all 3 when I have them--brood comb, lgo, dead queen (now queen juice).

    They seem to find all three almost irresistible. If I had to choose one it would be lgo. If I could pick two, it would be lgo (Lemon Grass Oil) and QMP (Queen Mandibular Pheromone aka queen juice). But all three is a trifecta...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    I have a small glass jar that mushrooms came in. I put LGO,OLD QUEENS AND ALCOHOL together I also went through all my dead outs and if I can find the old dead queen I chuck them into can't hurt.

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    I was at an auction talking to an old beekeeper today. I always approach them warily because I don't know if they are bastions of knowledge or cantankerous old f@&$s that refuse to change. This guy was pretty smart, but he was adamant that pheromone lures signaled to the bees that the hive was taken and to stay away. Mentally, I called bullshirt, but said nothing because I was being polite. Anyone else ever run into that theory?

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    I think a lot of people would disagree. I think what happens is the lure gets them to the box and then they see it is empty.

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    A lot of swarms from other hives land in bee yards. It has got to be the smell of the bees that bring them their. Based on the old man's theory they would stay away.

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgerdoob View Post
    I was at an auction talking to an old beekeeper today. I always approach them warily because I don't know if they are bastions of knowledge or cantankerous old f@&$s that refuse to change. This guy was pretty smart, but he was adamant that pheromone lures signaled to the bees that the hive was taken and to stay away. Mentally, I called bullshirt, but said nothing because I was being polite. Anyone else ever run into that theory?
    I know for an indisputable fact this is BS. I have a spot in a tree next door that had 5 swarms in the exact same spot. I could have marked the location to within 6 inches of center an every swarm would have been centered over that spot. The only explanation that settles it for me is that they could smell the queen from the last swarm. I was thinking of attaching a rope to the limb so I could simply hoist a basket and shake. At the very least I know where to locate one trap.
    Stand for what you believe, even if you stand alone.

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    I can almost always lure them right out of a tree with an old box that has some black brood comb, some LGO and some QMP. They can tell a hive is occupied because it IS occupied... not because it smells like it USED to be occupied...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: queen juice question

    I put my queens in with the LGO.

    I use a q tip covered with a piece of paper towel in a snack zip loc. It retains the smell the whole season.

    Last year I caught 20 swarms in traps, which was at 50%.

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