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    Default "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    Christy Morrissey is the ecotoxicologist who sounded the alarm on neonicotinoid contaminated wetlands in Canada:

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0092821

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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    Anytime you attach ECO to a word it loses all credibility. Makes you wonder who paid her to find what she says she found and who drew the conclusions. Not applauding the compound as I do not know enough about it. Just saying I do know enough about people attaching ECO to their credentials. They are corrupt almost always.

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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    As far as I have been told, she is legit
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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    Right, because only nutjobs care to study ecosystems, and the vast amounts of power and wealth to be had in studying ecology is sure to corrupt everyone who pursues the path...
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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    She's an environmental scientist.

    I would characterize the numbers she's reporting as being at a background level.

    Frankly, I was expecting that she had found much higher levels of neonics from all of the previous hubbub.

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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    I heard that she aquired most of her experience studying the wetlands of SE Alberta before she moved east.

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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    From a beekeeping perspective, she would have to have detected neonic concentrations that were 1,000 to 10,000 times what she has found for anyone to be concerned.

    While it may be a Canadian drinking water standards issue, I wouldn't call it a cause for concern for beekeepers.

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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    A toxicologist is someone who understands the effect that a substance and its metabolites can have on an organism. An ecotoxicologist is someone who understands the effects that a substance and its decomposition products can have on an ecosystem. Sure, I can see how some might use the "eco" to trump things up, but the field of study in this case is legit. Sometimes terminology does mean something.
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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    I would characterize the numbers she's reporting as being at a background level.
    What does a "background level of neonicotinoids" means? I would think since neonicotinoids do not occur naturally in the environment, there should be no "background level"?
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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    Quote Originally Posted by shinbone View Post
    What does a "background level of neonicotinoids" means? I would think since neonicotinoids do not occur naturally in the environment, there is no "background level"?
    Agreed. And if we consider how quickly these molecules tend to break down when exposed to light, the levels detected are but the tip of the iceburg. It also suggests a chronic poisoning.
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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    the question still is,what are the sub lethal effects of neonic's on bees, humans and the rest of the environment?

    "While it may be a Canadian drinking water standards issue" SO it its not good for humans but ok for bees or anything else?

    The game plan for the suppliers of these pesticides seems to be , to bring new poisons on to the market quicker , thereby nobody sees the effects the older pesticides have been having in the long term.They are quick untested solutions...just my opinion

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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    Irwin, these neonic canola seed treatments replaced Counter-5-G. The effects of Counter-5-G had already been seen, the reason why they pulled that chemical off the market and replaced it with these Neonics. Pretty much all canola used over the last 15 or 20 years has been treated with clothianidin or thiamethoxam. I have only heard complaints about Neonic seed treated canola this past year or so.
    So lets ban clothianidin and thiamethoxam canola seed treatments. Then I go on a broadcast spray campaign every spring, there will be no place to hide and the country side will be absolutely DEAD. With neonics I have animal life within my field rows.
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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    Sorry guys, but we all live in an ecosystem. This is not a made up word, but a scientific term.

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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bmango View Post
    Sorry guys, but we all live in an ecosystem. This is not a made up word, but a scientific term.
    the point that was being made was "eco" has turned into one of those buzz words,
    yesterday I bought some eco green toilet paper... what the heck does that mean???
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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    I read the report and I am surprised the levels are that low.

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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    I was driving by a grass farm last week and saw a sign that stated, "eco turf for sale." i have no idea what eco turf is.

    I'm a petroleum engineer, and I drilled several shallow wells and tested them for absolute flow capacity. It was done to procure a uranium mining permit. I signed and stamped my reports as a professional engineer, but the mining company listed me as an eco scientist in their brochures. Of course, their brochures were designed to promote investors, and I surmised that they thought eco scientist trumped professional engineer.

    It is for sure a buzz word.

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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haraga View Post
    I read the report and I am surprised the levels are that low.
    Anytime I see data reported to the nanogram (0.000000001 of a gram), I have to laugh, out loud, hysterically..
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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nabber86 View Post
    Anytime I see data reported to the nanogram (0.000000001 of a gram), I have to laugh, out loud, hysterically..
    Why?
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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    I use measurments in the nanogram range literally every day. Never really saw the humor in it, personally.

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    Default Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

    Is nanogram a measure of weight or volume? It's really small at one-billionth of gram.

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