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  1. #21
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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    Go to your grocery store bakery and talk to the ladies in there, often their icing comes in one gallon buckets, and they almost always throw them away.
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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    HDPE high density polyethylene, is the most common food safe plastic.
    Polyethylene has a pretty good track record for chemical stability, durability, and and minimal leaching.
    But it does readily absorb certAin materials....ever try to get the smell of pickles or BBQ sauce out of a reused bucket?
    Artificial fragrances used in many body and cleaning products are particularly bad, and easily noticed by smelling recycled HDPE

    These substances can migrate into the plastic and then leach back out into contents later, so care must be used when repurposing plastic containers.

    The recycling process does nothing to scrub these contMinants from the plastic when reformed. And once you are using plastic from the post consumer waste stream, there is no control over what was in those containers getting ground up and blended with virgin plastic.....laundry soap, insecticide, drain cleaner....you get the idea

    It would be quite possible to get off favors or even serious toxins by using recycled material for foodstuffs.

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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    sqkcrk, I did a lot of research on this last year, and it has something to do with the releasing agent that they lube the molds up with. There was actually even a post from someone who worked in a factory were they made 5 gallon buckets.
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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    Food grade is the only way to go.... I get all mine free from my local bakery.... Any place that works with bulk food ingredients should be more than happy to let you take them....

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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    We were looking for funnels last week, hoping to find one that either included a screen or which could hold one, with enough capacity to filter small batches of honey. The ones in the bee catalogs seem to be for 5 gallon buckets again. The Bed Bath and Beyond had nothing suitable. The salesman suggested we try an auto parts store.

    Yeah, I even have a screened funnel that would work, but with a dubious history of straining chemicals. For the reasons stated above, I'd be really reluctant to use anything from an auto parts store. Food-grade is clearly preferable, and probably should be required if you are selling honey.

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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoebee View Post
    We were looking for funnels last week, hoping to find one that either included a screen or which could hold one, with enough capacity to filter small batches of honey. The ones in the bee catalogs seem to be for 5 gallon buckets again. The Bed Bath and Beyond had nothing suitable. The salesman suggested we try an auto parts store.

    Yeah, I even have a screened funnel that would work, but with a dubious history of straining chemicals. For the reasons stated above, I'd be really reluctant to use anything from an auto parts store. Food-grade is clearly preferable, and probably should be required if you are selling honey.
    You might try a local (or online) beer/wine hobby store..... I make my own wine/beer/mead and have several that I bought locally that I use that might fit what you are looking for.....

    http://morebeer.com/products/funnel-screen.html

    http://www.eckraus.com/funnels-strainers?p=1

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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    I bought a stainless steel funnel with a screen for dairy use at an auction. I love it. I use it mainly for first step filtering of used vegetable oil that I use as fuel in my diesel VW Jetta (not biodiesel, SVO only). I just run it through the dishwasher to clean it. We did use it for maple syrup last week. Look up dairy funnel, its big with at least a 6 in. drain hole holds about a gallon or more.

  8. #28
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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    A couple of years ago I bought food grade buckets on ebay. I use them for honey as well as maple syrup (sap) so the dual use has paid off well for me.
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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    I am getting crazed about the bucket issue. I just got some buckets free from a local bakery and some are plastic no 2 HDPE which is definitely food grade but others were no 5 which is polypropylene which may be food safe-I know they had bulk filling for cakes in them but I did not think to ask if the buckets had a plastic bag lining with the filling or if they were straight filled up. Anyone know about Polypropylene?
    Last edited by xcugat; 07-10-2014 at 10:19 PM. Reason: Wrong number ment 5 not 7 sorry!
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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    If the buckets had a number 7 recycling/resin code, they may not be polypropylene, which is normally coded as #5. More here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resin_identification_code
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  11. #31
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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    Polypro is a close chemical cousin of polyethylene. The monomer is just a carbon longer. It tends to be a little stiffer and so is a good choice for rigid things like buckets. It can be high purity, but the same arguments apply regarding recycled content or prior use that might leave residue.

    Unlike vinyl or some other plastics, I don't think either polyethylene or polypropylene require additives such as plasticizers, and both should be available in food grade. But look into that 7 marking. It could be the liners were food grade but not the bucket itself.

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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    Oops--

    I got so fast fingered with the post I stuck a 7 in there--They are marked with a 5 actually, which I understand to be polypropylene, which May/should be food grade, especially considering what was in them?
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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    Go to the local bakery if you want smaller buckets icing comes in 3 gal buckets and they usually give them away

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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    A jar of Honey goes a long way when asking for buckets at your local bakery.
    Have them place it in the break room.
    I was given over 200 icing buckets since Jan. 1 and they were even calling me when they had 5-6 ready for me.
    I had to ask them to stop as we had enough, now I also have more customers for this years honey.
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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    Our county health department requires bakeries to destroy used buckets. They cannot be reused.��

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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    Good thread. BUT--- at the current pricing for honey, we should pack a pail of artisanal honey in a new FDA approved pail-especially if you are selling in that pail. Its all about image. Most customers expect a new pail when they pay 160-$200+ for a 60 of honey.Used FDA pails are OK around the honey house, but how much is your time worth to clean them out, chase to get them etc.
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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    Try your local BBQ joint. They get sauce and spices in 5 gal buckets. My favorite one sets them outside for anyone to take for free. I have picked up a couple hundred for various uses.

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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    Quote Originally Posted by candlaman View Post
    Our county health department requires bakeries to destroy used buckets. They cannot be reused.��
    My possibly feeble understanding is that the bakery cannot re-use them. And where I live (Cape Cod-ish...) the supermarket bakeries will hand them over if they have any buckets hanging around.

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    Default Re: 5 gallon buckets- Home Depot or food grade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marysia2 View Post
    My possibly feeble understanding is that the bakery cannot re-use them. And where I live (Cape Cod-ish...) the supermarket bakeries will hand them over if they have any buckets hanging around.
    Well, you just never know what sort of gross contamination one might find around a bakery. Perhaps it would be something that would not wash out using the same sort of detergent and water you use to clean dishes to eat off of. And that's just a horrible thought when you are considering storing fermented insect spit.

    Aaargh, this throw-away, germaphobic world.

    I can just imagine what would happen if the people writing such rules ever found out how cheese is made. Or beer. Or wine.

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