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  1. #61
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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    Barry, you do know that you're just creating more work for yourself by keeping this section 'as is'?

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    How would you know what my work is? If what you want to discuss doesn't fit under the TF forum description, then post it in the main Bee forum. Or are you needing a closed group with heavy moderation in order to discuss? Don't have any of those here but plenty of them out in cyberspace.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    "How would you know what my work is?"

    Heh, heh. Do I really need to answer that?

    Since there are 'closed' forums out there that are heavily moderated, do you still need one here?

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    No, that's why I will continue to run open forums where anyone can participate. I left Bee-L years ago because the structure of the list is such that before any message goes to the list, it has to first be approved by a moderator. Here, it's just the opposite, all messages go to the members without any moderation. Only those that break the forum rules get moderated after the fact. I appreciate that we don't all see things the same way. Helps me to rethink my position making sure I've thought of all the possible angles. Can't you handle the scrutiny?
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    It's about resistant-bee-keeping.
    A perfect forum for you to start posting in would be the Queen and Bee Breeding forum.
    Last edited by Barry; 03-13-2014 at 03:32 PM.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    Let me use an analogy. Just for illustration purposes.

    I come up to a gate that has a 'Beware of the Dogs' sign on it.

    I go through it and leave the gate wide open...

    Barry: "You'll let the dogs out!"

    WLC: "But you don't have any dogs!"

    That's sums up what I've recently experienced.

    "Woof, woof."

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    But you're still here!
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike bispham View Post

    I tried to find the date on this, and failed. Can you? Not much use without that.

    Mike (UK)
    sorry for the delay in responding mike, and yes, i can. here is a link to that post from which the randy oliver quote was taken:

    http://community.lsoft.com/scripts/w...;57464bc7.1403

    and a more recent entry that touches on the subject of breeding for resistance:

    http://community.lsoft.com/scripts/w...;15eaf6ce.1403

    since we are newcomers you and i mike i think it helps to appreciate that there are many experienced and bright folks who have been thinking about this for awhile.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    that's why I will continue to run open forums where anyone can participate.
    Unless they say something you don't like, regardless of whether they're breaking any rules or not. I can only speak from experience.
    Solomon Parker, Parker Farms, ParkerFarms.biz
    11 Years Treatment-Free, ~25 Colony Baseline

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    A grossly untrue statement, if I ever saw one.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    One of the perks of owning the forum is that you get to run it how you .... ... please.

    Brother Adam published an article about 1990 re breeding for varroa resistance. Too bad he is not around today, I'd love to see how he would handle breeding with some of the resistance genetics we have available.
    DarJones - 44 years, 10 colonies (max 40), sideliner, treatment free since 2005, 11 frame broodnest, small cell

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    Buckfast Mite Eaters. That's what he would have done and I'd have loved to see them.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramona View Post
    Whew. Taking a deep breath and practicing my own resistance

    Can't wait until the northern hemisphere bees are all back out!
    Not to be a killjoy Ramona, but: ever heard the expression 'On Topic'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepeg View Post

    since we are newcomers you and i mike i think it helps to appreciate that there are many experienced and bright folks who have been thinking about this for awhile.
    Don't know about you SP but I've been a beekeeper (off and on) and studying the problem of varroa for about 20 years.

    Mike (UK)
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    Last edited by mike bispham; 03-14-2014 at 03:20 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    A grossly untrue statement, if I ever saw one.
    That's about as rich as it gets! From the man who's been shown wrong countless times and never yet acknowedged it once!

    OT: you're positioned so as to give the resistance-raisers the hardest possible time. That's your agenda, your purpose. We don't know why, but we have a long history showing: that's what you do. Its your thing.

    You're happy to slander people who are actually doing something positive, while lying is engrained in your every post.

    A resistance raising discussion needs your input like a hole in the head.

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Right now, we're cutoff. The folks who put the rules together don't sell TF bees or queens.
    Don't you know anyone can sell tf bees? You just buy bees from a commercial breeder, and sell them on with instructions for regular splits and brood breaks, raking out drone comb and the like.

    Voila! Treatment free bees!

    Mike (UK)
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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    What's against the rules? Name calling?
    Exactly. The rules say: "you can have a daft conversation saying going round in round in circles because there's an inherent contradiction at the heart of your conceptual system and nomenclature'

    And that's what we do.

    I want to break out with a clear focus on raising resistance, premised on the notion that that is do-able (and therefore posts challenging that premise are off-topic) and the built-in capacity to stop off-topic disruptions.

    And then we can get on some constructive talk about raising resistance, and making real (rather than phony) tf bees.

    Mike (UK)
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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    I finally got a replacement battery for my Solomon Parker Decoder Ring. I was able to scan the recent post and the quoted sentence translates to mean 'you will find only people who agree with Solomon Parker'.
    I would say it is a virtual pulpit but in a real world church the congregation can toss the minister if he/she gets out of control. I'm thinking more like a virtual cult.
    I agree whole heartedly with Solomon when it comes to beekeeping. And I can recognise ad hominem, and despise it, and rate those who do it accordingly.

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike bispham View Post
    while lying is engrained in your every post.

    Mike (UK)
    Give the examples or retract the statement.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: Is the division 'Treatment Free' adequate to the task?

    Quote Originally Posted by D Semple View Post
    Just for the record I'm about a straight up bond beekeeper also, but I've got no beef whatsoever with how anybody else chooses to keep bees and in fact greatly admire the commercial guys who do so much more than just play with bees.
    Hahaha! That's wrong on so many levels I'm just gonna leave it alone!

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