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  1. #1
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    Default ecuador rain forrest

    hello

    here is the shock!

    this morning i inspected a new location.
    well situated on a slope, not too wet for rain forrest.

    i put 2 good nucs there about 3 weeks ago.
    10 days ago i checkked and all was good.
    today one of the nucs is empty - completely.
    nothing - no eggs, no brood, no capped, not a single bee, no queen, no dead bees - nothing.
    no food, no pollen no honey no nothing.

    ccd should have some things left.

    but this?

    does anyone know anything about ccd in ecuador? there is no source of information here.
    what els could hhave caused this disapearence?

    one thing though: i bought those two populations from a freind - they are not pure africanised-they have been very gentle.
    and it looks like they have quite some italian in them. the only difference to alll my other hives, that are in different locations and alll africanised.

    thanks for any infos ladies and gentleman.

    i am very happy to be able to post here for info - ecuador is pretty difficult.

    thanks
    ingo

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    Default Re: ecuador rain forrest

    Is it possible the bees absconded and all the remnants, brood, dead bees etc got hauled off by ants?

    I doubt CCD is the problem; but I also do not believe in CCD. I do believe is PPBK which can resemble what is described as CCD.

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    Default Re: ecuador rain forrest

    Very interesting.

    I don't have them in my area, but from what I have read, absconding is a trait of Africanized bees while Italians are very unlikely to do so.
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    Default Re: ecuador rain forrest

    perhaps someone stole it and replaced the frames with new ones

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    Default Re: ecuador rain forrest

    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrass View Post
    Is it possible the bees absconded and all the remnants, brood, dead bees etc got hauled off by ants?

    I doubt CCD is the problem; but I also do not believe in CCD. I do believe is PPBK which can resemble what is described as CCD.

    Welcome to Beesource. We would live to see pictures of your hives.
    hi
    no antss in sight - i do not believe this is it.
    what is PPBK?

    thanks
    ingo

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    Default Re: ecuador rain forrest

    Quote Originally Posted by pannu96 View Post
    perhaps someone stole it and replaced the frames with new ones
    that is not possible that someone stole them - it is also my frames in the nuc

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    Default Re: ecuador rain forrest

    Quote Originally Posted by heaflaw View Post
    Very interesting.

    I don't have them in my area, but from what I have read, absconding is a trait of Africanized bees while Italians are very unlikely to do so.
    hi
    do you mind telling me some facts about absonding.
    the weird thing is that there is no eggs, dead broood, nothing - it looks like licked clean in there.

    thanks

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    Default Re: ecuador rain forrest

    Quote Originally Posted by alhambrast View Post
    hi
    no antss in sight - i do not believe this is it.
    what is PPBK?

    thanks
    ingo
    PPBK: Pisspoor beekeeping, also known as hive neglect.

    Quote Originally Posted by alhambrast View Post
    hi
    do you mind telling me some facts about absonding.
    the weird thing is that there is no eggs, dead broood, nothing - it looks like licked clean in there.

    thanks
    If bees are unhappy with their living situation they move out without paying the rent. Robbing would clean out any stores that were in the hive... A good colony of ants can clean out brood and eggs in an undefended hive in a hurry. Though the queen likely would have stopped laying prior to absconding.
    Always question Conventional Wisdom.

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    Default Re: ecuador rain forrest

    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrass View Post
    Is it possible the bees absconded and all the remnants, brood, dead bees etc got hauled off by ants?

    I doubt CCD is the problem; but I also do not believe in CCD. I do believe is PPBK which can resemble what is described as CCD.

    Welcome to Beesource. We would live to see pictures of your hives.
    PPBK ?

    >> i put 2 good nucs there about 3 weeks ago.
    10 days ago i checkked and all was good.
    today one of the nucs is empty - completely.

    Pretty quick with that conclusion, don't you think?

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    Default Re: ecuador rain forrest

    Here's what I know about CCD vs absconding, but I hope someone more knowledgeable than me will reply also.
    With CCD a strong hive is found with a few nurse bees left plus brood in various stages. The foragers never returned to the hive after they flew out. With absconding, the bees will fly out like a swarm to a new home. The only bees left may be a few that were out foraging when the others left.

    I hope you ignore the PPBK comment.
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    Default Re: ecuador rain forrest

    You might find this discussion on absconding of help:

    http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...Autumn-Abscond

    and this comment by MPalmer in the same thread: post #38 "I found it happens when the weather is hot and humid, and the nucs are strong and in single story. Adding the second story eliminated absconding in my nucs."

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    Default Re: ecuador rain forrest

    Quote Originally Posted by clyderoad View Post
    PPBK ?

    >> i put 2 good nucs there about 3 weeks ago.
    10 days ago i checkked and all was good.
    today one of the nucs is empty - completely.

    Pretty quick with that conclusion, don't you think?
    I said the OP's bees absconded... I don't think that is a quick conclusion at all. In fact I think most who replied to the thread agreed.
    Always question Conventional Wisdom.

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    Default Re: ecuador rain forrest

    It is possible the hive has been queenless for at least 3 weeks. All brood has hatched and the queenless and broodless bees drifted to the other hive.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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