There are a few registered oxalic trickle products in Europe, but many just mix their own of course.
http://www.exmoorbeesandbeehives.co.uk/ Buckfast UK.
If the new business were to get serious about it, there are rare mineral security markers that could be added to the "new" product. A quick test of the residue would determine without question if it was the "approved" product, or simply wood bleach OA.
To everything there is a season....
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Trying to be prepared for the flow this time...
Inhale, take a deep breath. Your stress is off the charts. Most people here will have a calm conversation about different views.
Apologize to you, was not my intent to hook you so badly. Confess you hooked me a bit,I know better.
4 yrs, Peak 14, back to zip, T lite; godfather to brother's 3.
I am calm now, It pains me to see everything we have been fighting against since Varroa showed up on the scene, everything we know to be inherently wrong, spouted out as advice to new upcoming beekeepers all over the world. I was utterly floored by the comment. It would be good business to remove the messages and cease the shameful sideways attempts at furthering business profits. That's all I really care to comment on the matter.
Ha Ha I can see SNL getting his bank accounts ready now, for the influx of money once OA is legalised!
There would also be an opportunity, to source medical grade OA to sell to people who are concerned about purity.
Me, I think the government should stay out of dictating what brand of OA can be used, that will do nothing but add cost to the beekeeping industry. The potential for contaminating a hive from a wood bleach application is tiny, it's not like bees never get dirty when they go out.
I believe my own country has a good model. Treating bees with OA is legal, and you can use any old hardware store bought OA you want. There are some beekeepers though who are concerned with purity and there is no law against them using some highly refined expensive stuff.
Normal use of the same pesticide is bound to create resistance too. Abuse does not have to exist. Even if sometimes it happens. Checkmite was not developed because Apistan stopped working. It was an alternative. Miticure, an Apistan based strip, was developed from a cattle mite ear tag. But the company discontinued making it for beekeepers.
Hasn't OA been used to treat mites in other countries for over 20 years now? Maybe longer?
I would think that if resistance to OA was to occur it would have happened by now, don't you think?
To everything there is a season....
Think of Roundup. Glyphosate was discovered as a herbicide in 1970, but the first instance of resistant weeds came in 1996, 26 years later.
I have heard multiple experts state, however, that it is harder for lifeforms to become resistance to pesticides that work through pH, like OA does. Note, though, harder. Not impossible.
I think OA is a wonderful product. But I also think that using OA multiple times per year, and never using anything else, would be a mistake.
If the EPA is working on this, it will be in print somewhere....Where can we read about this?
If we know the EPA tack on this issue, we can write our representatives to urge their support. If ever a fast track for approval was indicated, it should be considered for OA vaporization.
I try to learn from my mistakes, and from yours when you give me a heads up :)
Lburou - Good question. I did some googling, and found no mention of EPA removing oxalic acid from pesticide status. Usually, when EPA does something, they make a public comment about it. Makes me wonder if there was possibly some form of misunderstanding by one or more people at that Maryland State Beekeeper Meeting . . . ?
(4th year, Zone 5b, 10/12 hives survived W'14)