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  1. #61
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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Thacker View Post
    I don't want "pure" toilet cleaner in my hives either.
    Duncan, you do have a way with words.

    And I'm sure you protest strongly against adding pure "Acetic Acid" to your salad.
    To everything there is a season....

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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Thacker View Post
    I don't want "pure" toilet cleaner in my hives either.
    Again, Duncan ........ what are you going to say or how will you react when OA is approved as a miticide?

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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    maybe some background checkinging would show that oxalic acid is normal in honey and in a lot of products that we eat. Its aproved in most countries. might be a good time to go hug a tree.

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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gillmore View Post
    Duncan, you do have a way with words.

    And I'm sure you protest strongly against adding pure "Acetic Acid" to your salad.
    Yes I do, the result of a great education and good common sense.

    NO problem at all. Can you add OA to yours.....stop with the ridiculous comparisons you are seriously insulting the forums intelligence.

    Do you have a financial interest in the success of the OA vaporizer?

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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    Quote Originally Posted by snl View Post
    Again, Duncan ........ what are you going to say or how will you react when OA is approved as a miticide?
    Asked and answered.

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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gillmore View Post
    Just don't get caught using off label Savogran on your hives.
    This says it ALL!! This is what we call a "contradictory statement".

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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    Quote Originally Posted by beeware10 View Post
    maybe some background checkinging would show that oxalic acid is normal in honey and in a lot of products that we eat. Its aproved in most countries. might be a good time to go hug a tree.
    Already done. OA in food IS NOT Wood Bleach or Toilet Cleaner.

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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Thacker View Post
    OA in food IS NOT Wood Bleach or Toilet Cleaner.
    Hmm.

    Could you explain how OA (oxalic acid) found naturally in certain foods is chemically different from oxalic acid found in the human body, or even in Savogran (vaporized or sprayed in hives)?

    From what I can tell, they are all "H2C2O4".



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid
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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    Hmm.

    Could you explain how OA (oxalic acid) found naturally in certain foods is chemically different from oxalic acid found in the human body, or even in Savogran (vaporized or sprayed in hives)?

    From what I can tell, they are all "H2C2O4".



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid
    YES I CAN!! I would love to!!
    First it does NOT matter that the chemical composition is the same. I love broccoli and OA is in broccoli. There is no denying this. The OA in food is so minuet and NOT in a vapor form. We eat OA everyday. Wood Bleaches and Toilet cleaners are OA concentrated into a product that will KILL you if you ingest it.

    Want to put it to the test,,, I DO!!! Find a person willing to drink a cup of wood bleach or toilet cleaner. Find a person willing to inhale a dose from a vaporizer. I will sit down next to that person and eat a cup of powdered sugar. He WILL DIE. I might get a cavity or a burst of energy.

    Its a NO BRAINER!!!

    To new beekeepers considering using OA in your hives consider the above.

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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Thacker View Post
    First it does NOT matter that the chemical composition is the same. I love broccoli and OA is in broccoli. There is no denying this. The OA in food is so minuet and NOT in a vapor form. We eat OA everyday.
    So you are saying the issue with oxalic acid is the size of the dose? In small amounts OA is OK with you?
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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    So you are saying the issue with oxalic acid is the size of the dose? In small amounts OA is OK with you?
    What occurs NATURALLY in food is out of my control and fine with me. I know what to eat and what not to eat. As I said earlier I love broccoli.

    What man did to OA is good for cleaning my toilet NOT to eat.

    Would YOU be the guy to prove its the same, Would you Drink or Breath it! Put your money where your mouth is and prove it.

    Is there Really a grey area there! Don't turn this into a battle of whit your argument is unarmed.

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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    Do you realize that there is an alternative to vaporizing oxalic acid? Make a solution and dribble it onto the top bars. Absolutely no possibility of inhalation of vapors. More here:

    http://scientificbeekeeping.com/oxal...-1-of-2-parts/



    From a toxicity viewpoint, there really isn't any difference in eating broccoli high in "natural" oxalic acid and eating the same amount of oxalic acid manufactured by man.

    When it comes to eating oxalic acid, it is all about the dose you eat. Here is one estimate that the "natural" oxalic acid in eating 10 lbs of rhubarb leaves would put a 130 lb woman at serious risk of death.
    http://helios.hampshire.edu/~nlNS/mo...oxalicacid.pdf
    Graham
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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    Do you realize that there is an alternative to vaporizing oxalic acid? Make a solution and dribble it onto the top bars. Absolutely no possibility of inhalation of vapors. More here:

    http://scientificbeekeeping.com/oxal...-1-of-2-parts/

    Its not dribbled on the TBs its dribbled directly on the bees. I wont dribble toilet cleaner in my hives as much as I wont vaporize it either...same difference, you got to do better than that to match my argument, but then again that would be impossible.

    From a toxicity viewpoint, there really isn't any difference in eating broccoli high in "natural" oxalic acid and eating the same amount of oxalic acid manufactured by man.
    THEN DRINK SOME. That statement is totally false and misleading. IT WILL KILL YOU AND YOU KNOW IT!

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    Default Re: Oxalic Aicd - No longer a "pesticide."

    This thread is dead . . . dead . . . . dead!
    Regards, Barry

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