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  1. #1
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    Default Bee-ProŽ Pollen Substitute

    Im have been in the protein patty kind of mood this last week.

    I found this on Mann Lakes website;

    FD-330 Soft Patties 45 lb bulk box
    We've been working hard to get you the softer yet
    nutritionally complete patty you've been asking for.

    Formulated to meet the nutritional needs of honey bees
    Balanced amino acid profile
    Contains Pro-Health feeding stimulant to speed consumption and aid in digestive tract health
    Formulated with Probiotics!!
    Ultra fine milling to ensure complete digestibility
    Bulk patty format means no paper to mess with
    Soft formula presses between boxes with ease
    Ideal for those beekeepers looking to feed 3-5 lbs per feeding
    Priced to provide an excellent performance to cost ratio


    US price per lbs is $1.10.

    has anyone used this Sub? How well do the bees eat it? Does it dry out?
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
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    Default Re: Bee-ProŽ Pollen Substitute

    I've never used the pre-made patties. I buy the dry and mix it.

    The bees take it as well as any...and I've used several. Most colonies gobble it down, while some seemingly ignore it. Same with every brand I've used. Does it work? How would one know? The take it down, and build up well, but would they have built up anyway?

    Mix it wet enough and it won't dry out before they take it.

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    Default Re: Bee-ProŽ Pollen Substitute

    I used 750 lbs of it last year(it was on sale ) so thought I'd try some. It was easy to work with (plastic bag inside a cardboard box)and the bees ate it all with no waste. They kept on raising brood in a pollen dearth so figured it was ok. But I can mix my own with yeast or Beepro dry ingredient as the base at a lower cost ,so thats what I do.

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    Default Re: Bee-ProŽ Pollen Substitute

    >>Mix it wet enough and it won't dry out before they take it.<<

    Im looking for a Sub that is soft, will not dry out, does not run or stick and is very palatable to the bees.
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
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    Default Re: Bee-ProŽ Pollen Substitute

    loggermike do you add any oils to your mix?
    what do you think about the advertised pro biotics in this mix?
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    Default Re: Bee-ProŽ Pollen Substitute

    Yes ,I add a quart each of canola and corn oil to each batch , plus some animal probiotics "ProbiosŽ Dispersable Powder" (not sure if this helps, but no downside I could tell) and the last nosema check I did showed very few spores. But that could be from other factors.
    I dont know which probiotics are in Mann Lakes sub,if its the animal version, likely these aren't the correct strains for bees anyways. Maybe someone could find out?

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    Default Re: Bee-ProŽ Pollen Substitute

    I bought about 500 lbs. of this last year, and am looking to do the same this year. The bees seem to love it. When placed between the brood chambers they devour it. Since it goes by rather quickly it's nice to be able to put 3-5 lbs. at a time.

    I've had it dry out on weak (queenless I suppose) nucs after sitting there for 3 weeks - 1 month. Other than that they always eat it 100%.

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    Default Re: Bee-ProŽ Pollen Substitute

    Great feed back guys.

    anyway, Im also playing around with mixing up some very basic patty recipes. I'm going to ask for some feed back here, from you protein sub mixing pro's, so bear with me and my questions. I'm just trying to figure somethings out. I am very unhappy with the patties I have available to buy right now, though I have not tried out this last Mann Lake soft Sub mix.

    What Im looking for a Sub that is soft, will not dry out, does not run or stick and is very palatable to the bees.

    So what I'm finding while I'm mixing up 1/2 lbs batches in the kitchen is most all of the equation here can be solved with the oil content in the patty.
    Does the increased amount of oil decrease the palatability of the patty?
    Last edited by Ian; 02-08-2014 at 01:56 PM.
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    Default Re: Bee-ProŽ Pollen Substitute

    Not at the level I use. Others use more and I have not heard of problems with the bees eating it. I do not know at what amount of oil it would be unpalatable to bees, but there must be an upper limit!

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    Default Re: Bee-ProŽ Pollen Substitute

    you mentioned you use two quarts of oil per batch, how large are your batches?
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    Default Re: Bee-ProŽ Pollen Substitute

    A 50 lbs bag of yeast or beepro, and around 10 gallons of syrup(half sucrose and half corn)plus other ingredients. I have been using a couple of cement mixers for this, but its really too slow and I need to get a mortar mixer of some sort to mix it faster and in bigger batches.

    Any suggestions on a good mortar mixer for this?

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