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    Default Frame spacing

    I have a lot of the frames on the picture and use them foundationless.

    The spacers are hard plastic tubes that are nailed on to the sides of the frames.

    I want to go small cell and read that you could get a good result and more eaven comb by reducing the frame width to 32mm.

    I meassured ten frames and they are 33.8mm wide. After I used the hammer on the spacers the width got down to 32.8.

    Do you think this is enough, or should I change the spacers so that the with of the frames will be 32mm?


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    Default Re: Frame spacing

    It's your decision, but it seems like it would be pretty easy to get it down to 32mm. You could sand off the spacers a little bit, check it with calipers. You're already under the standard spacing.
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    Default Re: Frame spacing

    Don't go below 31 mm, bees start to build wonky comb attached in strange places if you go much less.
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    Default Re: Frame spacing

    I read that 32 mm spacing would get less warped comb and other benefits such as less bees needed too keep the brood warm. The question is, will I have the same benefits with 33mm spacing?

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    Default Re: Frame spacing

    I have seen natural brood comb spaces as samll as 30mm and as large as 35mm. The 35mm has drone brood on it. The 32mm is most common for worker brood comb. Obviously there isnt a lot of difference between 32 and 33mm. How much will affect the benefits? Hard to say. Plenty of people are doing 35mm (1 3/8") as that a standard frame.
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    Default Re: Frame spacing

    Guess I'll go with what I have (Less work) and see how it works. I could always change it later.

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    Default Re: Frame spacing

    Is it better to go towards 33mm or towards 31mm when trying to obtain 32mm?

    Removed the spacer nails from 11 frames,
    Trimed 1mm from each side of the frames with the table saw.
    Put the spacers back on the frames without violence.
    Measured 10 frames.
    I now have 31.5 mm frame space.

    This is the way to go. It feels better to trim the frames down than to force the spacers in to the wood of the frame (some spacers broke when trying).

    Now I have 11 frames in a box, and with smaller cell size I will have more bees per frame and more frames per box.
    Guess i trim just a little less and I'll be fine.

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    Default Re: Frame spacing

    It's easier to cut the end bars down while they are still attached to the frames. 31.5mm is fine. I like the target of 32mm but 1mm either way isn't going to hurt anything.
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    Default Re: Frame spacing

    Thank you for your inputs. I feel confident in this now.

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