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    Default How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    This is going to be the year I try it - grafting my own queens, provided my hives make it through the winter.

    I've had one hands-on class with Melanie (Zia Bees), but would like to get a little more before this Spring. Been reading, asking questions of other, more experience Beeks, but thought I'd pose the question here.

    If you know of any good hands-on classes/ coursework and/ or reference materials which may help guide me on my information quest, please share!

    Thanks!

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    There must be a harder way to do that... let me find it for you.

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    Added to my bookmarks! Thanks!

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    I used this manual: http://www.uaex.edu/Other_Areas/publ.../pdf/MP518.pdf

    It is very simple and easy to follow. I raised several queens last summer using this method exactly and it worked great. Those queens are still doing great.

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    Contemporary Queen Rearing, Laidlaw
    Queen Rearing and Bee Breeding, Page and Laidlaw

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    Thanks!

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    Definitely Contemporary Queen Rearing, Laidlaw. It has tons of useful info on setting up your nucs for success.

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    Check

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    Better Queens, Smith.
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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    Queen Rearing and Bee Breedingis basically the same book as Contemporary Queen Rearing, but with a section on genetics.

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    Another referemce book that comes to mind is Dr. Lawrence John Connor's Bee Sex Essentials, and of course, Brother Adam's Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey, Breeding the Honeybee, and In Search of the Best Strains Of Bees, but as Mike Palmer mentions, Laidlaw and Page's Queen Rearing and Bee Breeding is my primary reference. And thanks to Tony P. for bringing back Oldtimer's fantastic thread of 2010!

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    Got 'em. Thanks!

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    A good DVD on queen rearing is by David Ayres- it is available through Kelley's or at beeworks.com. It explains three methods for rearing queens whether you want a few or thousands.
    "Of all God's creatures, only the honeybee improves its environment and preys on no other species."--Haydon Brown

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    Sunny - also check to see if Dr. Connor is lecturing anywhere near Durango. He gives a great hands-on and explanation on queen rearing. Also, if you can catch Dr. Cobey at a public lecture like she gave to a bee club out here in California, you'd be getting advise from the best. Either of them is worth the price of a plane ticket and a quick vacation a hundred times over.

    One thing is sure, be sure to read that link that Toekneepea put in post#2 of this thread. Oldtimer gives a fantastic how-to in the (modified) Henry Alley / Jay Smith "Cut-Cell" method of queen rearing. Also look for Michael Palmer's method of setting up a Cell Builder colony. He uses Brother Adam's method, except that he brings in capped brood frames from over-wintered nucleus colonies instead of from honey production colonies. I wish I had money enough to fly down to New Zealand and see his operation, the Cloake's operation, and meet the remaining beekeepers in Sir Edmund Hillary's family, among other excellent NZ beekeepers. What a "lecture / workshop" that would be!

    Here's Michael Palmer's explanation of Kirk Webster's method. READ to the END and note that he has changed over to Brother Adam's method,which he has modified:

    http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...ilding-Methods

    I'm working on a method that combines the benefits of the Cloake Board method with Michael Palmer's method, also a calendar for drone rearing, queen rearing, I.I., and open mating! It's kind of, shall we say, intense...

    Other than that, be sure to 1) start a calendar, 2) build your queen bank frames and a bunch of queen cages before you need them, 3) build enough nucleus boxes and frames this winter for mating season later this coming spring, and 4) order your foundation, if you use it. Springtime gets way too busy to suddenly have to build a bunch of boxes and frames!
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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    The main basics are to use a strong well fed queenless hive or unit to start the cells.

    Graft, comb cut, or whatever in such a way the bees can build the queen cells pointing straight down. The very simplest way of doing this is just to trim away part of a comb where eggs or just hatched larvae are, so the cells can be built straight down from there.

    Day before hatching, cells are transferred to some kind of queenless nuc, if there is no natural flow at the time give them a little syrup which aids in acceptance of the cell.

    To me, there can be a huge array of methods designed to suit the beekeeper that will produce fine queens, if they incorporate these basics.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    Can you post any information on how to contact either of these speakers? Just maybe we would entice them to come to Durango Co.
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    Default Re: How to Raise Queen Bees - Hands-on Classes and/ or Good Reference Books

    At the risk of sounding psychotic, I've been stalking Susan Cobey, looking for contact information, sending email to any email address I can find online (UC Davis, etc), in which I ask if she plans to speak somewhere or offer a class or have any other ideas on quality hands-on resources. A trip to CA sounds good to me!

    If anyone has any solid leads, please share!

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