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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Queens are relatively cheaper now than before Varroa????

    Quote Originally Posted by CesarBeeCool View Post
    That is some steep year to year inflation.
    In 1974, I paid $10.50 @ delivered for my 3 lb. packages. In 1978, the price was $19.95

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    Default Re: Queens are relatively cheaper now than before Varroa????

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Hills Farm View Post
    I don't know the answer to this. I do know that when I started out in '91, the first thing I did was lose my queen. The replacement from Weaver was $11--I still have the receipt!

    Rusty
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    Default Re: Queens are relatively cheaper now than before Varroa????

    >Equating a queen to the value of 10 pounds of honey

    Retail or wholesale? The average retail price for honey, last I heard, was over $6 a pound which would be over $60 a queen. That sounds about right to me...
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    Default Re: Queens are relatively cheaper now than before Varroa????

    For good queens that can be TF 60.00 is a no brainer........ thats kinda been my point for months!

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    Default Re: Queens are relatively cheaper now than before Varroa????

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Bush View Post
    >Equating a queen to the value of 10 pounds of honey

    Retail or wholesale? The average retail price for honey, last I heard, was over $6 a pound which would be over $60 a queen. That sounds about right to me...
    The people that get quantity discounts from queen suppliers are pretty much the same ones selling wholesale to packers. Currently the ratio is pretty close. $2.15 a lb, and somewhere in the low 20's on queens. I haven't seen it vary dramatically from that ratio. Remember when the ABBA used to meet each winter and come out of their meetings with unified pricing? We used to rib them and refer to it as the queen cartel,
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Default Re: Queens are relatively cheaper now than before Varroa????

    Wow I remeber ABBA too them blondes were nice....

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    Default Re: Queens are relatively cheaper now than before Varroa????

    Quote Originally Posted by gmcharlie View Post
    Wow I remeber ABBA too them blondes were nice....
    It was the American Bee Breeders Association. Those in the "cartel" would proudly display the logo on their advertising. It was pretty much a who's who of queen breeders at the time. Check out a vintage ABJ from the 1970's or so.
    They wanted you to "take a chance" on their queens.
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

  8. #28
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    Default Re: Queens are relatively cheaper now than before Varroa????

    > They wanted you to "take a chance" on their queens.





    ... note that honey is featured prominently at that link ...
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    Default Re: Queens are relatively cheaper now than before Varroa????

    The only problem with this fuzzy math is........ What was the avg production of honey per hive today verses 30-40 years ago, beekeepers & calculators........

    It's easy to switch the math to support any angle.
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    Default Re: Queens are relatively cheaper now than before Varroa????

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    The only problem with this fuzzy math is........ What was the avg production of honey per hive today verses 30-40 years ago, beekeepers & calculators........

    It's easy to switch the math to support any angle.
    Great point. I wonder if beekeepers are even valuing US honey appropriately. Is it more difficult to produce a barrel of honey now compared to 25 years ago?

    I am sure cheap imported honey changes the equation, but demand for US honey seems very high.
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    Default Re: Queens are relatively cheaper now than before Varroa????

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    The only problem with this fuzzy math is........ What was the avg production of honey per hive today verses 30-40 years ago, beekeepers & calculators........

    It's easy to switch the math to support any angle.

    That and are the commercial queens the same quality they were 30 or more years ago?

    I wasn't there so I dont know.

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    Default Re: Queens are relatively cheaper now than before Varroa????

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamon Reynolds View Post
    That and are the commercial queens the same quality they were 30 or more years ago? .
    Kamon, I think a lot of the queen breeders are doing a good job, I think where we as commercial keepers run into a problem is, where mite treatments are damaging the queens.
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    Default Re: Queens are relatively cheaper now than before Varroa????

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    Kamon, I think a lot of the queen breeders are doing a good job, I think where we as commercial keepers run into a problem is, where mite treatments are damaging the queens.
    As the mites seem to become resistant to more and more of the "treatments" the fine line where this queen "damaging" is occurring happens to be one of the many constantly moving "sweet spots" in beekeeping.

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