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    Default 2014 die off

    Spoke with my friend who had a commercial operation in ca he said he had a big loss this year. How bout you guys?

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    Its hard enough to comment on this years losses without crying. Now you expect us to comment on 2014!!!!! I hate to admit it but at this point I am at a loss as to find the words to express what next years losses are when we aren't even there yet. Magic balls are out of my league. Things are getting pretty bad when the bees are bring counted as dead before they are even alive????????? Help

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    Schrödinger's bees. Are they alive? or are they dead? Only the box knows.
    DarJones - 45 years, 10 colonies (max 40), sideliner, treatment free since 2005, 11 frame broodnest, small cell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion_power View Post
    Schrödinger's bees. Are they alive? or are they dead? Only the box knows.
    Never heard of this before. COOL. Only on the internet? Can this apply to thought(s) also?

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    Actually now that you are aware of it you will notice that pop culture has tons of references to it.
    Since '09-25H-T-Z6b

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    Not a commercial guy, but if my losses are any concern im at almost 50%. Treated for mites and plenty of stores left in hives. A lot of my losses had to do with queen failure.
    Had a laying worker hive I had to shake out, and the rest had maybe a few capped cells of brood if any at all. One even tried to raise a queen but failed.

    What is the cause of the die off of most of the hives here in CA? Anyone have any thoughts?
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    I started out this past summer with approximately 470 hives. When I wrapped my hives in late November I had 375 hives alive. The sad part in all of this, is that I consider myself fortunate since I experienced a much worse loss in the 2011/2012 season. Two years of drought conditions, bitter cold winters and a significant increase in queen failures have really taken its toll on my operation.
    Last edited by Jon B; 12-31-2013 at 03:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGhost View Post

    What is the cause of the die off of most of the hives here in CA? Anyone have any thoughts?
    1. Bad nutrition
    2. Bad nutrition
    3. Bad nutrition
    4. Bees being susceptible to "bugs" at a higher level than average........... becasue......... you guessed it............. Bad nutrition


    If you think its bad now.......... just wait till the almonds are over. If the rain stays away this whole thing is gonna collapse like a tower on 9/11.

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    Just fed mine and did a check. 22 out of 22 are still good. 2 out of 4 nucs dead.
    Requeened with queens from some guy in Dixon.
    Started feeding sub in July.
    Did OA drip as a knock down in late spring and apivar in late July.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hystad View Post
    Just fed mine and did a check. 22 out of 22 are still good. 2 out of 4 nucs dead.
    Requeened with queens from some guy in Dixon.
    Started feeding sub in July.
    Did OA drip as a knock down in late spring and apivar in late July.
    How come a lot of our hobbyist /sideline customers seem to often come through this way more unscathed than I do? I hear this quite often. About time for many of you to quit your day job and become bee slaves over on my dead out pile once they are revitalized. Glad to hear things are looking good sorry....... Great !!!!!!!

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    This is a commercial thread so their responses do not count. If I could baby just 22 hives all would be alive as well.

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    You are correct but I really didn't spend much time with them at all. I credit it to spending $ on feed and good store bought mite treatments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainesridgefarm View Post
    This is a commercial thread so their responses do not count. If I could baby just 22 hives all would be alive as well.
    If I could baby just 500 hives all would be alive as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey-4-All View Post
    Never heard of this before. COOL. Only on the internet? Can this apply to thought(s) also?
    That would be Schrodinger's Brain, wouldn't it? Is there a thought in there or isn't there?
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    Let's face it. Not at any point in time during the year do I have a bee yard with only 22 hives in it. For overall nutrition your bees have a huge advantage over commercial guys.

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    >1. Bad nutrition 2. Bad nutrition 3. Bad nutrition 4. Bees being susceptible to "bugs" at a higher level than average........... becasue......... you guessed >it............. Bad nutrition

    I don't agree. This might be true for commercial beekeepers but my bees are in residential neighborhoods and bring in thousands of loads of varied pollen and nectar daily. They are full top to bottom in November with bees, pollen, honey and probably mites. In the cold of December they collapse leaving behind frame after frame of pollen and honey. How could they be suffering bad nutrition? Next to them are hives that are flourishing.

    Viruses, or mite vectored viruses.

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    I probably have at least 60 other hives within a mile at all times. During certain times of the year alot more than that. Not trying to debate with you guys but I always have others right on top of me.

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    heintz88, are you for hire this spring? I just bought out another beekeeper so I am way up.

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    hystad, Why does your Profile say "Years Beekeeping: 0" ? How long have you had 22 hives? When did you buy them? How long have you kept them alive?
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    This is my fourth winter. My numbers have went up and down. I got up to about 70 in 2012 and had about 8 come out of winter which I turned into the 22 I have now. I used home brew (shop towel) mite treatments up until this last time. Profile updated.

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